Anthony Davis Discussion: That's Why They Pay Me The Big Bucks

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  1. KobeJeterKaep

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    Please don’t be petty about it, and misrepresenting words...again. Really. I said he is not playing like a top 5 player, esp against weak opponents, injured or not. Also said he has the potential to be, again, but when he plays harder and smarter. Hope we can see it consistently, along with health.

    And having optimism that he will play better and stay healthy is not inconsistent, at all. Some look for shots and only hear their own voices sometimes. Nuance matters. Deflected anger is not productive. I am guilty of it too. Done digressing with twists.

    Anyway. Finally some real progress last night. The 7 spot looking better because of it.
     
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    I see you’ve been a member since 2014, but were you not coming here from the summer of 2019 through March of 2020? I’m not being snide, it’s an honest question. Almost daily we’d have to here how the kids we traded were more valuable than AD. Honestly, a lot of us are drained from that saga and the fact is, AD was instrumental in bringing home the title. He’s a top 5 player that I wouldn’t trade for anyone (factoring in age) and there’s a long history with this discussion. We’ve already done this a thousand times and there’s no point, because AD is a top 5 player that helped win a championship.
     
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    i think if you felt triggered by my statement, it probably means something.

    anyway, yes, AD is good and never wasn't.
     
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    Since 07, actually, I think. Maybe 08. Never ever ever said we should not have traded the kids. Never. In fact, would have traded Tatem for him too if we had him over Lonzo. The fit with Bron is too good. And the upside. Never said he sucked.

    If you judge by post frequency and time you are presuming a lot. And not in a fair way. People go through things in life man. Respect that please. I see bad play. I say it. Same with good play. Still optimistic. Said so for weeks - 7 seed. All good.
     
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    Thanks for your opinion. He is good. Never said he wasnt. Not always great. Triggered is a condescending word. You don’t have the superiority to display or charge it. So don’t. Not a good look. But preach on...
     
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    I wasn’t saying you were saying we shouldn’t have traded the kids. And I didn’t even look at post history, it’s perfectly natural for people to take extended breaks from a message board and that in no way puts someone’s fandom in question. There was nearly a year where almost every conversation was derailed into how we wouldn’t know who won the AD trade for 5 years. We were 40-12 last year at one point and still had to listen to that daily. I know that wasn’t you, but I’m pointing out that there is a long history that explains why some of us get annoyed by the whole #1 option debate. I’m just trying to put context to some reactions to the discussion.
     
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    Whether Davis IS a top 5 player and will be for years is a fine debate. I respect opinions.

    Whether we would be better at 6 or 7 is a debate. It’s fine. Just don’t twist people’s words to try to take shots. Maybe think and read words before pulling that “ha ha you were wrong” trigger. It is silly, especially given the quality of most posts here, which I think are among the best in sports.
     
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    Fair Wallangong. Agreed. I see what you mean now. Thought you were implying something else about post activity post Kobe era. I just will stand by what I said, still love and appreciate AD, be optimistic, yet not afraid to criticize continued bad play, missed free throws, turnovers, giving up second chance points... blah blah. All good. Appreciate your post. I am seeing upside to 7th seed.
     
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    Winning the title the year Kobe died means life of love for Ad and Bron. Doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized on certain nights or over periods. Good signs last night. Hope to see more of them tomorrow, win or lose.
     
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    Good posts KobeJeterKaep - everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinions here. There are some that are much more contentious and I think that has been a bit irritating for many of us here.

    I personally believe that AD is a top five player when healthy. I'd actually put him at number 3 because he's the best two way player in the entire league. Guys like Luka and the Joker are fantastic but they aren't known for their D.

    But as great as AD is we wouldn't be having conversations like this at all if he played like he did last night against non-playoff teams such as Toronto and the Kings last week. The Toronto game was just basically a complete no-show. That was just crap. And if he had played like this and we won those two games we wouldn't be staring down the play-in tourney like we are now. We'd still be ahead of Portland.

    So criticism of AD is fair when he's not bringing it. I did plenty of it last year when AD would go through his passive phases occasionally.

    I think he's still growing into his leadership role and his alpha role. He can be that guy I believe in the future as he takes more control of the team. But it's a work in progress especially since he is trying to stay healthy which he hasn't really been all year.
     
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    Again, the quality of the posts here are extremely high, and not just those by mods (which are deserving of props in a different way). Well said. And contentious is a word I agree with. Frustrations come through. Tough season for long stretches. Will focus on content and be aware of tone. Good stuff.

    I really have not felt this good about a loss in a while. Kuz, Kief, Drumm, ugh. But what we need most are Ad and Dennis playing alpha ball more often. Seen it coming around a little lately, and certainly last night by Ad.
     
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    Totally - they were in the fight all night long down to the last stretch. That was so encouraging. This was a loss that felt like a win in a lot of ways. AD was just superb and was determined to at least go down swinging with all he had. If he had only played like this last week we wouldn't be in this predicament.

    The play in at this point is inevitable. With Portland's win last night they own the tie breaker so they actually are 2 games up on us not one. They are also playing extremely good ball at the right time and have won 5 of their last 6 I believe.

    We had a great game against Denver. We were playing the Clippers ok but AD went down. AD returned and was dominant last night even though Portland pulled out the w. I feel like we are putting some things together but the schedule coming up is Suns and NY and I think we lose both.

    The final three games I think we can get back on our feet. We need to win at least two of those I think to assure we keep the 7th spot over GS. Right? We should beat Houston and the Pelicans or we don't deserve the 7th seed. Pacers is a toss up. Depends on if we have Lebron back and what condition he's in.
     
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    It‘s basically irrelevant if we finish 7th or 8th, just determinates homecourt in the game against GS.
     
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    We play: Suns, Knicks, Rockets, Pacers, Pelicans.

    Blazers play: Spurs, Rockets, Jazz, Suns, Nuggets.

    Thoughts?

    Personally... I think we finish 7th.
     
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    sorry, i'm petty and immature because i don't get suicidal over a few bad games.

    my post wasn't about you. you made it about you, and then attacked me personally for it.

    if you were one of those with the lame takes on AD since his return from injury, so be it.
     
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    True, we'd still have to play them and beat them in Game One of the play-in, but I'd rather have the HC if possible. I feel like Steph has a harder time shooting here.
     
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    should beat houston, indy, and the pels at least but you just don't know with this team
     
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    blazers murdered SA, will murder houston, nuggets will probably have nothing to play for, so it's highly unlikely we overtake portland.
     
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    At this point the play in is basically a given since Portland owns the tie breaker over us. Right now we are fighting to keep the 7th spot and HC over GS which I think is actually an important thing to do. Curry shoots better at home than at Staples. I'm not sure who owns the tie breaker between us and GS. They are playing well but I don't expect them to win all their games upcoming. We are playing poorly and still don't have Lebron back. It'll be a tall order to beat the Suns tonight especially.

    I think three is our magic number? Anyone know for sure? Even the Grizz is just right behind GS now. Just hang on to the 7th.
     
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    i'm ok playing gs in either spot, as the game's outcome depends solely on curry going bananas. if he doesn't, they lose. when he's on, there's not much you can do about it.

    that's why play-ins are stupid. curry has maybe one supernova game in him in a playoff series. but for one night, they can beat literally anyone, anywhere.
     
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