KCP Discussion: Kentavious Can Produce!

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Keep what we have and move him then seems only way to be able to keep AC and THT if they extend Schroder.
     
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    If you’re going to use advanced stats, please at least make them factually correct next time. I will just wait for KCP to return to his normal play and debunk this take once again.
     
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    Can’t debunk a fact. Negative value and negative wins average through 30-plus games, is what it is, advanced stats or not. He and Gasol are reasons our starters get down early in games. (Not the only reasons)

    A PER of 10 for a starting guard on a championship team - playing along side two super stars - is very bad.

    Again, I didn’t say he totally sucks. I said he IS a negative player, especially as a starter (and I supported that statement) and that I HOPE he is the one moved, esp so we can keep THT and Alex. Don’t overstate what I said, or try to pigeon hole it.

    My opinion is that he is the one to move, even if he does have a few good games. If you disagree, I respect that. I have seen enough of him to form that opinion. I am not the only one with it. And if I was, I still would offer it for civil debate on this forum - as a poster here of more than 15 years.

    The statistical facts are that he adds no value from a PER or similar stat perspective, despite shooting a high perecemtage from 3. Can’t finish at the rim, put the ball on the floor, create shots for others, or rebound.

    All good. I don’t hate the man. I never called him “poop” - did you?
     
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    I don’t disagree that he may be the best one to move in the end, but I think you’re overemphasizing his recent slump and disregarding a much larger body of work, concluding with him being essential in our championship run.

    Defenses respect his shooting which helps spread the floor. We haven’t had any major injuries at the guard position, but it’s a matter of time over the course of a long season. Unless someone wows us with an offer, I don’t see why we rock the boat. After the summer extensions and the Kuz deal kicking in next year, may as well be patient and go big game hunting next year.
     
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    Big game hunting? We need to keep the assets we have in house that are still improving and most valued. I hope KCP snaps out of current short slump and lots of proof he can and will. Especially with the handling of this coach and staff. Don't agree that he can't finish at the rim. One of our best weapons on the break (granted I don't know his numbers there in the half court).

    But if Rob can creatively move him to free up finances to allow AC and THT and Dennis to be retained (Dennis at a price the Lakers are willing to pay to be able to keep AC and THT ..... then by all means do it Rob. THT could grow into Dennis's slot by next year or the SG position primarily with handles and able to create own shots. AC possibly could man the point if he continues to work on handles, but certainly could play the 2 as well.
     
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    Personally I’d like to keep as much of the roster intact as possible, but I assume if a superstar becomes available via trade, Lakers would at least kick the tires.
     
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    not sure if that's a net negative player. it's obviously not a star, and i think his recent slump is driving some of this:

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    some stats like him, some don't. none say he's terrible, though.
     
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    I usually defend KCP but this guy has been absolute garbage lately. He's not doing anything right out there.

    Past ten games, 25% from three, 34% from the field, 28 MPG scoring only 6 points per game. I haven't lost faith in him but you simply can't be that awful playing the minutes you are given. He's directly responsible for the Lakers offensive issues, honestly. It's like a 4v5 when he's out there.
     
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    eh, it's not just him, and he was blistering early on. but you could basically pull a non-lebron name off the roster at random and claim that player is killing our offense right now. and even lebron isn't really hitting from the perimeter.
     
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    LeBron's job isn't to hit threes. It's a bonus for him. That's on guys like KCP who get paid to 3/D. 25% from three in a ten-game sample size is horrendous. You can't be playing 28 minutes per game and score only 6 points on horrible efficiency. He's a non-threat offensively right now.
     
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    Yeah it’s on KCP right now. He’s slumping so hard at the moment. But that’s no excuse for others to be bricking too.
     
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    What's really strange is that they are all bricking at the same time. I'm not sure I've ever seen this. Everyone can be in a funk from time to time, of course, but the whole team... that's just bizarre.
     
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    No COVID cases for this team but most definitely a 3 point shooting virus going on lately....
     
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    Here bro, don't let your past bring you down.

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    The one good thing about last night’s game was seeing KCP finally get out of his slump!
     
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    See, that kind of shooting, with AD and Dennis back would be enough to win games. And that’s just one guy shooting well.
     
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    He's gotta get out of his head. He started off strong, aggressive, attacking. Then in the second half, he looked timid and was second guessing everything again. If there was a game to let it fly and break out of his funk, it was this one. McKinnie took more shots than he did!
     
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    28 mins. Negative 10. Typical.
     
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    I'd really appreciate if he could start doing something on the offensive end. Some time this season, I mean.
     
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    Bad game, great steal at the end though.
     
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