That fool has never been punched in the mouff. Mike Tyson has, and he should get the credit because he actually said this.
Both him and Harell are looking maybe for a big payday first and not a title. The thing is you win a title and your market value goes up: hope they understand this as right the Lakers cant assume they're going to have the same chemistry as last year or the dedication to win above all else including ego
I have no issues with Schroder starting. He is in his prime, can handle the ball, dish and score. Let him play 35 min a game. If he can do that, Lebron is playing less than 30. More power to him. I also think Kuzma should play 30-35 min a game this season. Volume shooters need more time to play. And he may build enough confidence and rhythm to be effective come playoff time.
To be fair, you have a much better grasp of the salary cap, and you seem like an honorable fellow that wouldn't stab someone in the back....given the opportunity.
He is 6'9" and 250 pounds of muscle. If he were punched in the mouth, I doubt there are many people that would end up on the better side of that altercation. Can you imagine how good of an MMA fighter Lebron could have been? But your point is well taken.
Well...we like him for being that “dog mentality” guy. Like Pat Bev. I know ...Bev knows his role. Dennis is better though. So arrogance and confidence come with it. I don’t see him saying “I gotsta get mine.” Just that it matters to him, in his prime, being a starter. I get that. Will he play complimentary to Bron? I think so. He did with CP3, often. And Bron will let him make plays. Everyone will know when Bron is taking over or has set plays called. I only worry about his defense. He has an incredible opportunity to be the starting PG for the Lakers, with AD, and possibly Harrell, for years to come. No PG in this league has that kind of diverse (kill you all kinds of ways, out of a set, down low, roll, lob, 3 point pop, elbow, or on the break) big man talent. NONE! With Wes and KCP spacing. And that is not even including Bron. Kidd may really help him with his assist-to-big-man game, furthering what he learned from CP3. Excited to see his game with our bigs and spacers.
A lot of NBA and NFL guys could've been elite level boxers but boxing doesn't pay nearly as much. Bob Arum said heavyweights died down because back then, the money was in boxing but now with all the guaranteed and safer money in other sports, boxing is getting the lesser of the athletically gifted. Obviously there is a lot more to boxing than just the physical traits but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of guys in the NBA/NFL who if they were taught boxing early on, would be killers.
Lebron more naturally fits the role of team player rather than solo act. hard for me to think that he is wired as you need to be - as a killer to succeed at the highest levels in MMA for very long. but his physical gifts are undeniable
Even with the media looking to constantly downplay the Lakers, the consensus right now seems to be that Schroder and Harrell are great additions that elevate us into being the clear favorites to repeat. That’s what Schroder and Harrell will be judged by. The team success. If we lose, a good chunk of the blame will fall on their shoulders whether justified or not. If they don’t buy in and cause chemistry problems at the expense of the team, individual stats alone aren’t going to get them the contract they want. Unless they want to go and waste away in Charlotte or something. But yeah, after thinking more about it, I’m tentatively fine with Schroeder’s comments about being a starter. That’s the kind of confident talk you’d expect from an all star point guard ... so now the onus is on him to perform like an all star point guard. If he averaged 19/4/4 off the bench in OKC, I want to see him put up at least 20/5/5 starting alongside Lebron and AD. It does kind of remind me of AD last year. He had some backlash when he commented about not wanting to play center, how he doesn’t see himself as a big man, and how he wanted to play more from the perimeter. I remember eventually coming around to the stance that, he might actually be right. AD has so much talent that he is closer to KD then Shaq. It wouldn’t have been in our best interest to typecast him as a post-up big man. We deferred to his confidence and let him play the way he felt naturally suited his skills, and it worked out. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but hopefully we give Schroder the opportunity to play the larger role he sees for himself instead of typecasting him as a sixth man roleplayer, and hopefully Schroder ends up proving himself right that he deserved the bigger role.
OK. Your's is the first post that actually makes me feel better about Shroder running his mouth in the press about internal stuff, before even camp, that I thought was premature and disrespectful to of all teams ..... the L.A. Lakers who just won their 17th championship less than 2 months ago .... and to the coach and his staff that fostered amazing team unity throughout that season. You had me at this: No PG in this league has that kind of diverse (kill you all kinds of ways, out of a set, down low, roll, lob, 3 point pop, elbow, or on the break) big man talent. NONE! With Wes and KCP spacing. This from @Helljumper also didn't suck. (shout out to Jim Rome type compliment ) It does kind of remind me of AD last year. He had some backlash when he commented about not wanting to play center, how he doesn’t see himself as a big man, and how he wanted to play more from the perimeter. I remember eventually coming around to the stance that, he might actually be right. AD has so much talent that he is closer to KD then Shaq. It wouldn’t have been in our best interest to typecast him as a post-up big man. We deferred to his confidence and let him play the way he felt naturally suited his skills, and it worked out. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but hopefully we give Schroder the opportunity to play the larger role he sees for himself instead of typecasting him as a sixth man roleplayer, and hopefully Schroder ends up proving himself right that he deserved the bigger role.
Well, he's not shy about what he wants. Again, I'm not sure that he'll get this role or if it's even the best idea. But I do understand that he wants it. I just think with KCP's new contract and for continuity he has to be a starter. Personally I much prefer the lineup to be Lebron at point guard and Wes Matthews at the 3 for both defense and as another corner three shooter. KCP, Matthews, Lebron, AD and Gasol just makes sense. It's a vet heavy lineup that should start the games. Where you go from there could be very situational but to start the first and third quarter I don't see how Schroder's inclusion makes us better. But TBD really, regardless of what Schroder thinks his role is. Dennis Schroder Expects To Be Lakers Starting Point Guard Lakers Rumors: Anthony Davis, Rich Paul Meeting With Rob Pelinka Published on12/01/2020 AUTHOR Corey Hansford With all of the moves the Los Angeles Lakers made this offseason, the question many have begun asking is who will be starting, particularly among the wings and guards. With the team adding Dennis Schroder and Wesley Matthews while re-signing back Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and still boasting Alex Caruso, head coach Frank Vogel has plenty of options for how he chooses to work his rotation. In the case of Schroder, some penciled him into a role off the bench, as that is what he thrived in over the last two seasons with the Oklahoma City Thunder. Additionally, many viewed a pairing of him and fellow newcomer Montrezl Harrell as potentially having a dominant impact. But Schroder didn’t seem too keen on that idea in his first media session since being traded to the Lakers, sounding relatively opposed to the idea of coming off the bench again. “I did this off the bench stuff already for two years with OKC,” he said. “I think I try to move forward, and I think with A.D. and LeBron, I can be helpful as a starter in the PG position so that LeBron doesn’t have so much stuff in his mind. I can bring it up, call a set play or whatever, and put him in a position to score. I think for him to play off the ball is great. “I think that’s the reason why they brought me in. I think I’m going to fit perfectly with LeBron, A.D., Caldwell-Pope, Wesley Matthews, Harrell. I think we all fit together and we’re looking forward to it.” Schroder also added that his agent had spoken with the Lakers about a starting role prior to the trade being completed. Schroder summed up his thoughts with, “That’s that.” The question now becomes who else would fill out the starting lineup which would likely come down to a choice between Matthews and Caldwell-Pope. Caldwell-Pope’s play as a starter inside the bubble would seem to lend to him being the favorite to earn that role. That could put the Lakers in a bind defensively as Caldwell-Pope has struggled to guard the bigger wings that position requires, and which Matthews is more suited to defend because of his strength and physicality. The other possibility would be starting Anthony Davis at center and having Marc Gasol come off the bench, but that would appear unlikely. Schroder does bring a lot to the table as a starter, especially offensively, and his presence would relieve LeBron of some of his playmaking duties. While in Atlanta he averaged around 18 points and six assists in two seasons as a starter and his play has warranted that starting role. In the end, however, it’s all about who ends the game and Vogel will have to figure out who is the Lakers’ best five-man group to finish out games. LeBron sought playing with Schroder Though it might be a surprise to some to see Schroder likely being a starter, perhaps it shouldn’t be as LeBron James has apparently been wanting him as a teammate for some time now. The Lakers looked at trading for Schroder at last season’s trade deadline and James is reportedly a fan of his game. Davis has also been extremely complimentary of the move by the Lakers, so while it may not be the ideal trade in the minds of some, it might be exactly what the players themselves are looking for. Our Community Join the Lakers Nation community and make your opinion matter
Yeah. If he starts then that really puts us at a bind with the KCP and Matthews starting decision. Since KCP will struggle with the bigger wings and certainly deserves to start too. This is the negative side of Shroder starting and likely being pissed if he doesn't. KCP is a champion now and contributed greatly to that outcome and also won't want to come off the bench. I am guessing. I lean toward your starting 5 and rest Lebron and AD early and often during the season. Frank's got a bigger test this year than last it seems almost, even with having a stronger and deeper roster.
This article mirrors my thoughts exactly. Despite what Schroder is saying he wants, the bottom line is regardless of any conversations in free agency to the contrary, the coaching staff decides who plays and what role they'll have. Lakers Rumors: Dennis Schroder Could Come Off Bench; LA Hasn't Settled on Lineup TYLER CONWAYDECEMBER 1, 2020 TRAINING CAMP HASN'T STARTED YET, AND THE LOS ANGELES LAKERS MAY ALREADY HAVE A PERSONNEL ISSUE. DENNIS SCHRODER TOLD REPORTERS MONDAY THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO COME OFF THE BENCH FOR THE DEFENDING CHAMPS. "I DID THIS OFF-THE-BENCH STUFF ALREADY IN TWO YEARS WITH OKC," SCHRODER SAID. "I THINK I TRY TO MOVE FORWARD, AND I THINK WITH [ANTHONY DAVIS] AND LEBRON, I CAN BE HELPFUL AS A STARTER IN THE PG POSITION." THE 27-YEAR-OLD FINISHED SECOND IN THE SIXTH MAN OF THE YEAR VOTING LAST SEASON, PLAYING BEHIND CHRIS PAUL AND SHAI GILGEOUS-ALEXANDER IN THE GUARD ROTATION. DAVE MCMENAMIN OF ESPN REPORTED THE LAKERS HAVE NOT COMMITTED TO SCHRODER BEING PART OF THE STARTING LINEUP. SCHRODER SAID HE HAS NOT SPOKEN TO COACH FRANK VOGEL ABOUT HIS SPOT IN THE ROTATION, BUT HIS AGENT DID TALK TO THE LAKERS ABOUT HIS DESIRE TO START BEFORE THEY ACQUIRED HIM. ONE SMALL ISSUE WITH SCHRODER'S PLAN TO BE A STARTER: IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM THE TEAM'S PERSPECTIVE. THE LAKERS WON A CHAMPIONSHIP LAST SEASON WITH LEBRON JAMES SERVING AS THE NOMINAL POINT GUARD, AND IT SEEMS LIKELY THEY WOULD WANT TO FOLLOW A SIMILAR PATH NEXT SEASON. A LINEUP OF JAMES, ANTHONY DAVIS, MARC GASOL, KENTAVIOUS CALDWELL-POPE AND WESLEY MATTHEWS/ALEX CARUSO APPEARS TO BE THE LIKELIEST SCENARIO. SCHRODER WOULD THEN TAKE THE RAJON RONDO ROLE OF LEAD BALL-HANDLER OFF THE BENCH, RUNNING PICK-AND-ROLLS WITH MONTREZL HARRELL AS PERHAPS THE MOST DYNAMIC ONE-TWO PUNCH IN THE NBA AMONG RESERVES. Schroder was fine playing without the ball in OKC, first alongside Russell Westbrook and then Paul, but that's not why the Lakers acquired him. James and Schroder are the only two players on the roster capable of a lead ball-handler role. Based on his public quotes, it appears the Lakers might already need to get Schroder in line with what's best for the team. "I can bring it up, call a set play or whatever and put [LeBron] in a position to score. I think him to play off the ball, I mean, is I think great. I think that's the reason why they brought me in," Schroder said. There will be instances when James and Schroder share the court, and it's possible Schroder even gets to occasionally play the lead. That said, no one believes taking the ball out of James' hands and placing it into Schroder's is a better recipe for winning basketball.
Better players, but sometimes bigger egos. Wes jr. seems down to do whatever's best for the team. KCP will need to start. I think Harrell will do whatever is best as well. Same for Marc. Basically, Schroder needs to chill out when he's coming to a championship squad. It's not about him. It's about the team. I'm almost positive from the newest article that he will NOT be getting the starting job in fact. It simply doesn't make enough basketball sense. He could be the first guy off the bench. He could play major minutes and give Lebron more rest this season. But just saying you want to start doesn't mean that will happen especially if you haven't even spoken to the coaching staff.
I'm all for playing Schroder starter minutes. But the reality is that when LeBron is in the game, Lebron will have the ball in his hands the majority of the time. It's just who he is. If Schroder starts it will be him who plays more off the ball than LeBron. Last year LeBron averaged 10apg and Schroder averaged 4apg. I could see Schroder getting 6apg with this team and LeBron dropping down to 8, but LeBron is still going to be the primary playmaker on the team. You don't come on a championship team with a PG that led the league is assists and try to become the main playmaker unless your initials are Magic Johnson. Like you guys pointed out, his confidence is a good thing, but his perspective needs some work.
I have no problem with Schroder saying he expects to start.. Why shouldn't he feel that way..? Of course he'll have to earn it, but in game load management for LeBron is one of the main reasons we traded for him. He's also younger so his rotation will likely overlap Lebron's & I expect he'll see a lot of time with the 2nd unit as well.
When a player “grows up”, they are less concerned with individual accolades over team results. He’s obviously still struggling with getting what he feels is proper recognition. I think we have a savvy group of veterans that can both entertain his insecurities and help him past them. If not, he’ll be here for 1 year or less.
