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  1. Jaguar

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    I’m not trying to hear anymore sore butt excuses about this guy. Spray some Biofreeze on it, get on the court, and ball the f*** out.
     
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    Is it just me or does AD never get double doubles anymore?

    He is looking soft out there...isn't aggressive with the ball and isn't aggressively rebounding.

    I'm not very satisfied with his on the court demeanor. Maybe that's because I have seen Kobe too much this last few week and in comparision AD is looking like a teletubby.

    There is a reason his teams have always been bottom feeders without an alpha on the court.
     
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    I think it's a few things.

    1. He's playing 4 now. Most 4's are shooters nowadays, so he's primarily around the perimeter. We have Javale or Dwight down low now for the most part.

    2. Lebron is the primary rebounder to allow him to push the ball earlier and allow AD to outlet on a fastbreak as we've seen quite a few times.

    Doesn't excuse his numbers, but I think those play a big part.
     
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    I wish he had more post moves going to the basket: even a mini hook. Everything tends to be fadeaways.

    That being said he's such a beast on defense: Aldridge just kind of invisible out there. Also, Individual rebounding doesn't really correlate with winning, it's team rebounding so that guys who occupy bodies like AD is what you want.
     
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    I agree with lakerfan2, it makes sense to me.
     
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    At just over nine rebounds a game, he hasn’t rebounded this little since his rookie year.

    The rest of his averages are similar to career numbers, but his turnovers are up as well as his free throws.

    I think it’s clear that when he is fully engaged he can be a complete monster, and we’re going to have to rely on LeBron helping him find that gear in the playoffs.

    but otherwise, for supposedly being a superstar, you sure hear very little about him and he seems to have very little impact on the game that is memorable. He is completely satisfied not being the alpha, and that’s kind of a problem since we desperately need a closer we can go to at the end of games.

    It’s going to be very interesting to see how things play out in the playoffs as I just don’t see that we have the right mix to win the championship at the moment
     
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    I'm not going to harp on his rebounding. We have a beastly double dou in our center rotation of McGee and Howard, plus we have Lebron grabbing 7 or 8 a game as well. I'm not sure there are enough boards around for him to get to double digits this year and I don't think it's much of an issue. Look at our record.

    Of greater concern to me is what you brought up about AD not always being that dominant closer type at the end of games offensively. Personally I'm not sure he's being utilized to the best of his potential in that role, but we are quite used to Kobe who just DID that and didn't need any prompting or special treatment to do it. Then again AD is a big and not a guard so . . . he does need to be fed in the right place, right time. I'd love to see more P and R in crunch time with him and Lebron or any of the PG's and him and I've said that. Some have said maybe the coaching staff is waiting for the playoffs to develop that further but I'd like to see it in some of these regular season games.
     
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    Yes, this is the time to be practicing that. You don’t wait and try to roll out new stuff in the playoffs LOL
     
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    AD needs to work on passing out of double teams, much like early career TD needed work in that area.

    as far as crunch time--teams shy away from pick and rolls for fear that defense will switch up coverages and create a turnover, i think. it's weird to me, but pretty much everyone goes to iso late in games, mostly due to fear, imo.

    if we had a guard who was a scoring threat on the high pick and roll, you could run that with AD and have lebron standing strongside at the angle and green in the opposite corner. opposing coaches would have a very hard time doing much with it.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing but I'll say this:

    The truly great players get theirs, no matter in which system and with which players. It's always easy to find excuses for why something isn't working.

    To say he isn't getting rebounds because McGee and LeBron are doesn't make sense to me, especially since the Lakers get out rebounded quite often this year. Go get your boards, period.

    He also needs to sabotage the offense and demand the ball in crunch time but he isn't. He is content to be a Robin to someone's Batman and that is a huge problem especially when LeBron hangs it up.

    AD as your best player doesn't sniff at a title unless he has insane supporting cast including a leader and a closer because he is neither.
     
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    Any "big" that plays with LeBron is going to see their rebound number go down a bit. And like @lakerfan2 said above, AD is playing the 4 this year as more of a perimeter role on offense.

    That said, I agree with him needing to be more aggressive on the boards. I love what Kuz did the last two games on the boards. AD can do that and more if he is motivated.

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    i'd say you're disagreeing with me. and i guess you better hope we get giannis, luka, or kawhi (assuming his leg stays attached). because when lebron's done, AD is better than pretty much everyone else. so, nobody is winning titles? or just scoring guards?
     
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    I don't get this the Lakers are 3rd in Offensive rebounding percentage and 8th in defensive rebounding percentage. They're a very good team rebounding team. Individual rebound numbers have shown to be flacky because if you do your job and box out that's better for the team then Westbrook, for example, hunting for rebounds and not getting back on defense.
     
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    While the complaints roll in... just a reminder of what kind of elite defender this guy is


    I'd rather him focus on D and blocks than boards. If McGee, Dwight, Bron, and (recently) Kuz aren't carrying the weight then by all means. But that's not what we need from him right now.
     
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    AD was the only reason we didn't fall behind by 10 in the first quarter last night. he erased at least three mistakes by others i can remember off the top of my head--that's aside from keeping aldridge in check, something that only looks easy...for anthony davis.
     
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    He shut Aldridge down in the 3 games they played. Well, he does it with other marquee bigs, too, except the Freak.
     
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    superstars are just expected to do it ALL, so no, no slack shall be cut

    :)
     
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    AD has been great on defense, thats I think out of question. He has a motor, can defend both perimeter and interior players, protects the rim and is quick enough for PnR.

    He has a huge impact just because of his D.

    But to answer your question abeer, yes. I think the NBA champions are going to be what you call "scoring wings"...its not like it wasn't that way in the past.

    MJ, Drexler in the 90s...Kobe...LeBron...Wade...Steph Curry....Kawhi Leonard in the 2000s

    You take the past 25-30 years and more than 20 of those chips are won by "scoring guards/forwards"...its always been that way. In the past it also took a decent big to accomplish this (Shaq, Duncan, Gasol, Love, etc.) but thats not necessarily the case anymore. If you have two of those guards (George-Kawhi or the Splash brothers) that seems to be enough even when your best big is Ivica Zubac or Andrew Bogut...
     
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    a "decent" big? shaq, duncan, olajuwon, david robinson. these are superstar, hof players. all of whom were considered the best player on their title teams at various points.

    now, if you want to argue recent history, it's clear that scoring wings are the answer. we have no path to acquiring one of the few who could carry a team, though.

    but what we could do, post-lebron, is find a second-tier scoring wing (like a bradley beal type) whose game becomes much easier playing next to a do-it-all type like AD, then filling around with solid role players.

    but again, if AD isn't good enough to anchor a contender, i'm not sure what to do. we tried to get kawhi and PG. we got lebron. i don't think giannis and luka are going anywhere, and if they do, we seem to be preserving space to make an offer.

    meanwhile, we have a perennial all nba player in his prime. we should be happy, but most of the time we seem to fuss about him only doing 37 things that help us win (and be in first place) instead of doing 39 things and making us undefeated.
     
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