Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

This is something I can relate to more than DRPM or DPIPM. Again remember I've never said Ingram himself is better... I've said I didn't like the sheer quantity of assets and as Ball has improved and Garland and Hayes have improved it caused me to open the discussion once again. (I said Hayes is going to be great early in the season, although to be fair it didn't look like we were going to pick him at #4... but you never know)

Good work though.

This Reddit discussion about advanced stats echoes some of my concerns about those numbers

 

It's fair that you inserted Gasol over WCJ... but I considered Gasol and Sabonis essentially even rather than negative offensively going by those stats.
Almost as though I traded Harrell for Jabari Parker who also is for all intents and purposes an even defender at plus .18 though by this game's rule he doesn't qualify.

I still think the offensive team wins even with your upgrades and not removing Parker... but as I said... I'd love to see this matchup.

 

I think Ball is a good defender, good transition playmaker who becomes valuable if he can improve his shooting and free throw shooting to an average level. His progress has stagnated but so did DLo until his fourth or fifth year. He pulls off 4 double doubles in half a month... makes you believe something can happen again, especially if Jrue wasn't there.

LBJ is an incredible player especially in his prime but he should have never been rated #1 in advanced defensive metrics at this age.

I enjoy reading advanced defensive metrics like I would a horoscope. It's right some of the time... it's wrong some of the time

And yes I get they are more accurate than a horoscope but there are a lot of statistical anomalies one has to ignore every year that are more misleading than with boring meat and potatoes stats.

 

What about the eye test?

or All Star votes?

I feel like were ignoring a couple of the most important factors to greatness

 

Ingram was terrible in another huge nationally televised game.

He choked twice against us... and he choked tonight.

Of course I'm still a big fan, but he cannot keep missing shots when he knows the world is watching. Even his free throws were off.

If Ingram shot his average in any of those games the Pels would have won. I'm glad he went cold against us, but he should have done better against the Spurs.

Also, Gentry is an idiot.

 

i don't understand the near 20% increase in his FT shooting from last year to this year. pretty much every other part of his game and what he's doing compute for me. but not that. what the hell happened? he wasn't even a good FT shooter in college.

 

AD went from 70% in college to 87% this season, but I agree that no one could have predicted this growth for Ingram, even his supporters, and that one aspect of his game changes everything when it comes to projecting his ceiling. Personally, I was hoping for mid seventies from the line and 36% from three and then he becomes a good starting player but I didn't think he'd sustain 85% FT% or 40% from three for any length of time.

His form looks legitimately smooth so I don't think it's a fluke... and of course that transfers to the better form from three as well.

He just needs to relax when confronted by the pressure of those marquee games.

The one thing that's good is that he'll still take the shots and he doesn't hide from the moment... he just made a clutch shot during his 49 point game and he scored a lot of points in the fourth last game as well. But he looked like his old Laker self against us and against the Spurs last night and hopefully that doesn't kill his all star selection chances.

 

Contrary to many fans beliefs... I don't think Ingram is a selfish player. I get that he's iso heavy and tends to pound the ball too long if not given instruction, but I see him more than willing to pass which makes me think he can still thrive with lower usage.

My main problem with him is the same thing we've seen with the Lakers so far this year. Overall playing well, but shrinking a little under the spotlight of a big game.

He played horribly against us... probably shooting around 20%... same last night.

He just needs to relax and he should be fine. It might be a huge benefit if Zion is able to duplicate that magic he showed last night because Zion so far has not choked under pressure. A Zion playing at superstar level with Ingram and Ball as his support should do very well in the league.

I thought Zion was going to win the game for them and do what Magic did in his first game when he hugged Kareem.

Sadly his doctors wouldn't let him and Zo and BI wilted under the pressure.

I've also seen BI make clutch shots so I don't think he's any more of a choker than LBJ was before he won his first title... but he does get into his head at times and that's the only thing that can stop him at this point.

 

Congrats BI All Star

 

over KAT and booker? wow. i mean, if we're picking guys putting up stats on losers, don't those two kinda win, easily?

KAT is 27/11 on 50/40/80.

booker 27/6/4 on 50/37/90.

BI is 25/6/4 on 47/40/85.

none of them play defense. all of them lose.

i'd be mad if i were a suns or minny fan.

 

Laker pedigree continues. Book needs to rethink his FA plans and not pout

 

man you sure seem to love to hate on BI...why not just be happy for the guy? why shoud anyone here care bout kat ot bookers feeling . besides that kat has missed a decent amt of gm and booker as other put it, pouts to much and not likeable

 

Was there an argument there?

you sure seem to love on Ingram? Am I doing it right?

 

yea you with "IF I were min or pho fanI'd be mad"...nobody here gives a F about those fan base and you had to add you little quipe bout them being more deserving or whatever, maybe you just salty cause you still wanna be right about Ingram being the same player and not a "star"