Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

pointing out your obsession with magic isn't my colors. and you do a great job all by yourself ^^

the thread is about ingram and his inevitable (or not) stardom, not about your amateur gm skills (or lack thereof).

 

Haha... okay, I’ll stick to my amateur gm’in and you stick to “stro”min that damn crystal ball of yours.

Keeping BI would have been preferential due to him potentially blowing up and being a wing defending/playmaker, which is exactly what our current roster needs right now. So I guess that keeps me on topic, right? The gestapo here makes it so hard to keep track of what can be discussed and where. I’m so confused.

Anyways I’ll remove myself from this discussion so that you can continue foretelling how BI’s career progresses from here on out. Just tag me in if you do see him blowing up and I’ll try put my amateur hour skills to use to create a 20xxPlan to go reclaim him.

 

I'll never understand why people try to discourage a back and forth on message boards.
Every popular radio or TV talk show features two people with opposing opinions having a spirited debate.
How boring if Max said to Stephen A... "Yes, Stephen A... great point, everything you say is right on the money"
Yet no matter what board you go to, sports or politics... this is the usual pattern.
As long as people are respectful and not abusive, they should be free to say whatever they want... as long as it fits within the parameters of the thread topic.

 

Well ..... in one case here it is due to the hundreds of times (probably not exaggerating ) the same things have been said over and over and over regardless of the good "conversational" points made in rebuttal. At some point you agree to disagree if both sides remain adamant, not keep coming with the same things relentlessly to "remind" everyone of your point of view. Especially when they are hypothetical.

 

Don’t understand it either Sentient, but I remain undeterred.

As for being relentless, other members mob on lil ol me to mute me. It seems relentless and repetitive cause I’m not only opposing one member.

And speaking of repetitive, LT you state my rebuttals are hypothetical. Uh please tell me, yet again, how the bald eagle will put up numbers that Bron is currently putting up. Please remind me when a guy avg more TOs than assists is going to allow Bron the luxury to decrease his usage rate.

Anyways, BI hypothetically won’t be a star so let’s discuss aka sing kumbaya in unison on how we didn’t give away an excess in trading for a guy that damn near forced his way here...

 

Except there's new information to be processed.
If Ingram bombed... there would plenty of people patting themselves on the back explaining how they were right and feeling satisfied about their predictions.
In this case he's done well, so it's natural for those who wanted to keep him to vent a little.
Who knew what would happen with the blood clot?
I was pro Ingram so of course I had to express my two cents... but let's not pretend some people would be cackling with glee if he was weak and reverted back to his usual early season form.
Bottom line... variety is the spice of life and we should welcome opposing opinions.
If someone is tired, then they can choose to ignore the thread or posters who bore them.

 

Virtually everyone here wanted to keep BI over Kuzma. (could have been one or two dummies that didn't ) You guys are on to something? The chances of doing that were ZERO. I agree we are lucky to have been able to keep Kuzma. Especially since he and everyone else worth anything on the team were offered at the deadline in the great cluster bleep.

Thank the lottery gods, again, for the #4 pick. No one loved the kids more than me. And hell yeah we will all hate it seeing him become the player he's going to be starting now and on into his prime on another team, especially if Bron gets the big injury and especially if we don't win a ring.

 

I'm rooting for the team wholeheartedly.
I also gave the front office credit for some savvy signings after the Kawhi signing through.
You and many others feel AD was worth that price. I and a minority of posters feel the price was high considering he wanted to come anyway.
I can't argue with the results so far as they are good.
However, I feel we were extremely lucky to have a motivated Dwight that is masking some of the deficiencies of the squad.
We could easily be 4-3 right now, but it's early to know exactly what we have and I think Rondo and an in form Kuzma should help.
I only take issue with those who feel no discussion is necessary.
This team isn't dominating... they feel like the Detroit bad boy or the old Knicks teams just grinding and gutting it out.
I'm enjoying this team but it's not like Showtime where I feel they will win almost every time.
Everything depends on LBJ's ability to maintain this high quality at an advanced age.
So, I'm enjoying this team but I'm skeptical of their ability to sustain winning... not for a playoffs but for a title.

 

I'm just along for the ride and hope to see the team they put together after Leonard stiffed us .... have some health and have a chance to gel. A roster slot was left open originally as well, now filled by Howard and Boogie is still here.

Vogel seems to have them bought in and motivated and certainly playing well on defense. Rondo and Kuzma rounding back into form should definitely help. Agree we were tremendously lucky to have picked up Dwight and have him playing incredibly well after Cousins went down. Hope you are not a ring is the only thing fan. Some, well maybe one or two here talk that talk. But only one team will win and LUCK plays a huge part. I'm definitely enjoying this new ride and being back in the hunt legitimately for the ring.

 

What’s the debate about Ingram that’s being discouraged?

is it that we could have kept him? Because that doesn’t deserve two sides. Wasn’t happening.

so what then? That we should have not traded for AD. Let’s set the goal posts.

 

Hypothetically if Caruso hits and Boogie returns and if health favors us, we can win the chip.

So in terms of being hypothetical, it works both ways.

As for saying there was zero chance to keep BI. Most of us knew it was not the type of clot to kill a career, but still it did hurt his trade stock some.

If you replace BI, with Kuz and another pick (remember we could trade up to 4 of our future picks according to the Stepien rule) maybe that gains traction with them. So instead of a pick swap and 3 future picks we gave up, we give up all of our 4 possible future picks (‘19, ‘21, ‘23, ‘25) along with Kuz to spare BI. If that doesn’t get it done, you grease em with a possible pick swap then.

In terms of matching salary and still having a max slot left, the #4pick had a cap hold of nearly 7m in place, so signing that pick and aggregating them in trade along with Kuz would have taken up more than the salary of BI. You can still pursue a max guy and still hold onto BI via extension if you whiff. Now he essentially becomes
a guy that you can ship out for a future star and their salary if he doesn’t work out as a 3rd with Bron/AD.

As for setting up goalposts...kids a stud and has future allstar talent. He might not become a superstar in this league, but his potential salary combined with skill set could have gained us one faster than Kuz (his extension cuts into the Bron timeline).

And if BI can’t bring in a 3rd star via his deal, at the very least on this present roster I take him over Green as our starting SG any day of the week (see his spot up stats so far this year). He can be a starter that is not a force fit into the lineup this year. You can’t really say that about Kuz, unless you really want to undermine AD’s center request and play him there with Kuz at the 4 as a small lineup (which btw, we haven’t had much success with this year).

Goalposts set or do I need another spot to rehash em at?

 

I think that's aimed at me. Never said it. But I'll play the game and repeat it a hundred times in multiple threads going forward. Too simple and short though. Need those mind bending follow my logic (AGAIN) giant paragraphs, like we forgot you would have done it better. We know you would have done it better.

 

BI was never that committed. Always out of shape and flabby.

 

ingram aint coming back anytime soon lol

 

yes he was always skinny fat.

 

Fitting.

 

Did BI just smack LeBron?