Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

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  1. OmarE

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    @vasashi17 is there a way we can keep one young player and still get Kawhi and AD?
     
  2. KareemtheGreat33

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    probably Hart
     
  3. vasashi17

    vasashi17 LB's Resident Capologist

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    As of right now, we have 8 players on the roster (if LA keeps Jones) accounting for 62m, plus 5m in dead Deng money, plus 3.6m in an incomplete roster charge (which includes our unsigned top 12 pick)...all adding up to about 71m and just north of 38m in cap space.

    You have to sign Kawhi or whatever free agent first! Kawhi maxes out at 32.7m while only KD and Boogie are eligible for up to 38.2m as 10+ year vets.

    AD makes 28.1m and is a 32.3m cap hit if he doesn't waive his 15% trade kicker. However, I'm sure he'll waive it entirely if traded to us.

    If Kawhi signs first, we have roughly 6m in remaining capspace and only need to send out about 17.5m in outgoing salary.

    BI and Zo make 16m together. So essentially you can keep any 3 of the kids among Kuz, Hart, Moe, Bonga or even Jones.

    Also think back to the Love for Wiggins trade. That deal couldn't be made official for a month since the Wolves signed Wiggins to a max rookie deal and then used that salary to help salary match for Love. We essentially can do the same with our top 12 pick (for example top 1 pick aka Zion will likely have a 10-11m starting salary next year). So if we hit on the 2-4 pick, we can give out a contract in the range of what BI and Zo make next year (7-8m) and basically swap out one of those guys in the deal to spare one of them by rerouting that top 2-4 pick to the Pels a month later after we sign him.

    Hope that helps bro.
     
  4. Savory Griddles

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    Rumor is Griffin is really high on Ingram. My guess is it will cost us Ingram, Ball and our lottery pick this year. We probably get to keep Kuz if all the big-time free agents leave their respective teams and cause the offers to the Pelican's to drop significantly. But that will leave AD at center most likely (something he has said he doesn't like), unless Kuz sort of plays the Odom rotation on our team where he doesn't start, but ends up playing pf to close games like Odom, and AD moves to center like Gasol used to. AD/Kuz/LBJ/Kawhi to close games is nasty. Doesn't really matter who the pg is.
     
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    Vash, there's also another way to get AD and Kawhi...have Kawhi opt-in and then toronto can trade him to us. Kawhi will be at $21m, and AD will be at $27M...so that'll be a combined $48M incoming and we can send out BI, Lonzo, 11th pick, Wagner and Bonga which is a combined $19M so the net of that is $29M, which leaves us about $9M in cap room to spend on another player or two plus the Mid-Level and Room Exception (?), and vet's min with LeBron, AD, Kawhi, Kuzma, Hart on the roster.

    The other players that have the opt-ins btw are Kyrie and Butler so we can also facilitate opt-ins and trades with those guys (although I'd rather not give up the kids for these guys..)
     
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    I hope David Griffin is sky high on Ingram...that'll be central to us winning this trade plus the threat of AD not staying in Boston needs to be very real...

    NYK also needs to drop to like 4th or 5th in the draft....and C Bags pick needs to convey at 9th so they can have the 9th, 14th, 20th and 22nd picks in a weak draft...#treasuretrove
     
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    Yep...this scenario is also true!

    Oh so that's what you meant in the other post. Yeah, it's just Kawhi, Ky and Butler that have player options that can lead to a Cp3 type scenario where they can opt in and force a trade.

    The benefit to this tactic is that they have full bird rights in tow to their new destination. So instead of a full 35%max nonbird 4yr 165m deal (with 5% annual escalators and one less guaranteed year), it would be a full 35%max full bird 5yr 215m deal (with 8% annual escalators and an additional 5th year).

    It's exactly the advantage the dubs have with KD this summer.
     
  8. Weezy

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    Oh boy, the games begin already



     
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    What's to convince? He already gave up this year and with the way the organization has treated him, why would he.

    NOLA is an embarrassing franchise. Send them to Seattle.
     
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    Well, AD did think they were poorly run (he's right), so I'm guessing griffin will try to show him things will be different.

    It's a show, though--he gone.
     
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    He's staying...
     
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    ... true to his desired trade destination!

    I knew what you were thinking Kenzo!
     
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    Pot. Kettle.
     
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    If he publicly says he's going to start trading for AD, he automatically loses leverage. If he at least attempts to keep up the appearance that there's hope that this AD thing can be salvaged, he is trying to hold onto any leverage he has. Even if it's obvious AD is gone.

    Griffin can't turn around the organization in one summer. He knows that. The whole thing pretty much boils down to what Irving does this summer. If he stays, Boston parts with the farm for AD. If not, they'll want to hold onto Tatum, and then we will part with the farm for him.
     
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    Ya I think there is a zero chance AD is a Pelican coming opening night.

    Griffin is starting the process the way he is supposed to...damage control in terms of leverage.

    He is also completely at Ainge's merci. If Ainge does him a disservice (which he is always tempted to do), he is screwed.
     
  17. Savory Griddles

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    Serious question. Why does Griffin get so much praise for being a great GM? He was strong armed into giving Tristan Thompson and JR Smith terrible, terrible contracts.
     
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    well its LeGM and they just came off of a chip, you have to pay to keep a championship team in tact (unlike Cuban dumb a** with the Mavs post 11').....also he got PG for Irving deal done according to rumors but Pritchard pulled out last min cause he didn't want to keep PG in the east
     
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    #fugghetaboutit. #noAD

     
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    ^thats a worthless information considering how the Lakers wouldn't want to lose leverage in the AD trade talks.

    They will act like they aren't interested the same way Griffin is trying his best to act like everything is fine.

    Behind closed doors, talks are different I'd hope.
     

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