Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

I dont know what a RPM means in advanced metric terms, but BI is the WORSE on this team at -3.8. BAD sign, I know gm is more of on court than paper but this confirms BI isn't a winning type player

 

problem here is isnt lineup, BI has had negative rpm since his rookie yr

 

well 3yrs in, #s dont lie. gota sell

 

We have a Lamar Odom, guys. That's ok I guess.

 

He scored more than 26 four times for the Lakers...
Nothing to write home about but still better than once

 

considering the 3 straight yrs of negative RPM and what we see with our own eyes, its safe to assume he's not going to be a star at this point, now my request for 17/5/5 with good eff. seems unrealistic now lol

 

RPM is like PER, in that its a heavily biased metric that was formulated and not as cut and dry as the numbers you see in a box score. Maybe Travis, Real, BT, bfc or any resident stathead can vouch for it, but I believe RPM is partially derived from a players position (and how they compare to their contemporaries at similar positions) and we all know Luke has BI floating all over the court in that regard.

That being said, there's a reason I'm avoiding this thread for the moment...its hard to come to my guy's defense if he just isn't bringing it. He's gotta do better when he's playing with Bron... And when he's playing without Bron, he has to be more aggressive.

But... net impact on the team ain't all that bad so far.

 

Seems it can take players awhile to adapt to playing with Lebron. I'm not throwing in the towel yet, but I'm constantly disappointed in how the coaching staff seemingly doesn't see the stuff fans see. Seriously, either they or we are missing something obvious. And of course it can't be the fans. Duh.

 

Bron is #3 in the league in RPM and #1 on our team at 3.1. Again I'm not an advanced stat guy, just doesn't look good that our supposed 2nd best player has the worse # of that stat, he's like bottom 400 with that -3 rpm

 

I quickly searched for the formula used in RPM and came across an explanation for the metric. I can't corroborate the validity of this writing, but I do know that position does play a factor in the formulation of this metric and it also appears that its classified as a predictive "stat"...

 

that explanation makes it even worse for BI going forward lol

 

I wish LO is BI's ceiling.

 

I wish he was at least 140 lbs

 

I’d like to see BI involved in more pick and roll actions with McGee/Chandler. That has to yield some positive results.

 

RPM, like most advanced stats, isn't a great metric for measuring how "good" a player is. It's difficult for any singular statistic to embody all that information. Basketball, especially nowadays, is an incredibly complex game, and not all of it can be measured by numbers, let alone a single one.

Most of these advanced stats are based on the same box score metrics that we already know are fairly limited in scope. RPM is based of RAPM, which is based off APM, which is just based on +/-. Yes I know there is a lot more going on in terms of the statistical techniques used, but in the end, no amount of statistical nuance can make up for the shortcomings of the underlying data.

Easiest way to assure yourself of this is to use the common sense or "eye" test. Is Khris Middleton really a better SF than KD and Leonard (who ranks 8 spots below him)?! Hell no. That right there should tell you that this thing is nowhere near the end all be all.

Obviously Ingram's advanced stats are going to be poor, given most of his production is down from last year, and the team hasn't been very successful. But that doesn't mean anything more than his advanced stats are poor, trust me.

 

well, you really want him in the pick and pop with lopez...

rolling doesn't do much for ingram because he wants to get to the hoop and can't shoot. again, i disagreed with the post-lebron roster construction at the time and still do now...