Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

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    Yes, whatchoo mean?
     
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    Man, the media, other gm's, fans and basicly every person not from LA hate is so damn beautiful. We suck for quite some time now and they're still SCARED.
     
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    RE: Kawhi’s *Mysterious* Injury

    Reading more and more about Kawhi from last season, there’s just so many red flags concerning his mystery injury.

    Either San Antonio has a real incompetent medical staff (which isn’t the case since they’ve historically had the best staff since 2006), or Kawhi’s camp is trying to hide what how serious his real injury is.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...rds-mysterious-injury-and-whats-next-for-him/

    Seems like Kawhi’s camp has been trying to mask what his injury really is about, calling it a tendinopathy is a vague medical term that could almost mean anything and from the looks of it, it’s more serious than that term. Really, just read everything you can about his injury, it’s just too mysterious what’s been happening to Kawhi.

    Even when he was finally cleared to play Kawhi has been struggling to get his motions right, like just running. The game against Utah, Kawhi was supposedly back to about 90% but he looked more like 50% because he couldn’t even stay in front of Rodney Hood. His camp is now saying Kawhi’s now about 95%... but is it more like 55% actually?

    From listening to Woj, Haynes, and other insiders, they believed Kawhi’s group let out that Kawhi wants to be traded because they likely knew that Spurs were not going to offer him the supermax. Kawhi’s group, who’s sounding more shady by the articles, have seem to know that Kawhi wasn’t going to be guaranteed the supermax right around January, coincidentally around the same time we started hearing that Kawhi was unhappy in San Antonio.

    https://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/19/kawhi-leonard-injury-timeline-news-spurs

    It was smart for the Lakers to float out there that they are not desperate to trade for Kawhi immediately and have real concerns about his injury. Speaking of smart, the Spurs are a pretty smart organization, so you have to wonder all these moves they’re making around Kawhi too. Truth is, the Spurs have real legitimate concerns with his injury and are approaching this cautiously.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html

    Btw @JabariJYoung is a good follow, he is a Spurs insider who has been covering Kawhi.

    Lakers should definitely approach a Kawhi trade with caution just like the Spurs are doing right now. Hoping that Kawhi returns to his 2014 Finals MVP self is far from a guarantee at this point. Trading the whole farm without any insurance just yet might bite us in the quad, literally.

    Whatever happens, hope the Lakers just make the right choice.
     
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    Everybody has sauces and can’t talk about them.

    :Ingramsawinglogs:

    I guess we’ll know in a matter of weeks
     
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    I remain very very concerned about this.

    I want Kawhi in a Lakers uniform like everyone else, but we need to take this injury seriously as potential problem.
     
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    He has to be traded, and as part of that he has to pass a physical. That is our insurance, but it would be a shame if he wasn’t ready to roll.
     
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    IT passed his physical with us last season, but that wasn't the same IT that was an MVP candidate... I'm worried the same happens with Kawhi
     
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    Go for it.
     
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    Wait, when and where did Woj say this?
     
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    Quad tendinopathy, if that's the term used back when this was first being reported, someone here sounding like they knew what they were talking about, in the quad area, would not get completely better. Or is very difficult to ever get over, given how much the quads are used.

    Realdeal, what does your wife understand about whatever these terms are and what's being reported? Yourself? Doc Brown?

    Can't think of it right now or for fun of it I would have included the east coast doctor back in the day on CL that finally wound up leaving over the Lamar Odom's worth to the Lakers battles as they got nasty, or was banned, before we got Pau and won a championship. Some south eastern college name as he'd been a player I think.
     
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    True. Kawhi would definitely get a physical exam with the Lakers and past medical records, but he’s not required to provide more current x-ray exams and what not.

    There’s only so much a physical can look into. Physicals are a specific structured test, and looking into past medical records is the most diagnosis you can get out of if. There are players who have passed physicals only to be sideline longer than expected like what happened with IT and the Cavs. Worst, Bynum and the Sixers.

    Lakers need to just stay cautious about it like they’re apparently doing right now.
     
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    Nash 2.0 ???

    Hurts to type that. He better not. I'll fly to LA and do him myself.
     
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    And how does due diligence all happen in the short time frame for the upcoming draft with deals needing to be made and FA right behind. LeBron and George and keep Randle and the kids. Would much rather be safe with that. Lonzo is gone unfortunately, but hopefully for a great deal or a runny Deng dump on top of LaVar's head to an east coast small market team. But again no one is eager to help the Lakers.
     
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    Now that this is out there, I too have some serious concerns.

    After looking into the timeline and studying the injury(s?) with my wife, there's some big flags here.

    The tendonopathy diagnosis, as i understand it, was from the Spurs and their medical staff. That's basically an irritation to the tendon attaching the quad muscle to the knee. This takes some time off to recover, but isn't necessarily serious or repeatable.

    Kawhi went through their rehab and his health didn't improve so he got a second opinion. The second opinion came back with deep muscular bruising that could result in muscle calcification. That treatment is very, very different from tendonopathy and actually the length of time wasted treating tendonopathy may have caused more serious damage. Muscle calcification needs to be massaged out and treated a specific way. If it isn't, the crystalized muscle may actually harden into a point so that it becomes sort of like a bone spur in your heel. It's sharp, painful, and requires surgery to remove it. Unfortunately, once the crystalization process happens, even after removal, there's a decent chance it returns. There's a decent chance his muscle never gets to 100% again.

    The timeline here gets pretty important. If they spent months treating tendonopathy and his muscle crystalized to the point of needing a surgery to remove it, he could have suffered some serious, long-term damage to his quad. Now, that's not to say the crystalized muscle WILL come back 100%, but his quad will be more susceptible to that type of damage so it's possible whenever he gets kneed in the quad, he needs extensive time off.

    Now, all of that is sort of a worst case scenario. It's possible that the crystalized muscle never go to the point of needing surgery and it's possible even afterwards a surgery that his leg holds up okay. But isn't the question enough to cause concern?

    I don't think Tania's piece is all smoke. I think the Lakers are genuinely concerned about Kawhi's health and I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the league is too. Couple that with what Jabari is saying about Kawhi's contract situation and this gets a lot trickier. I'm still interested in acquiring Kawhi, but not at a massive cost. If some team (like the Suns with the #1 pick :D what a crock of ****) are willing to give up a high draft pick, I let them do it probably.
     
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    Not whom I'm thinking of but while I was doing that I did think of him but didn't remember if he was a doctor. But sure if he was. :D
     
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    yup c'mon Suns, this is a sure thing and you have the best medical team in the NBA
     
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