I don't disagree with any of this. He definitely can be lackadaisical during the season. It would be my hope that coming home and playing with another max player would help alleviate some of that. Even if it doesn't, his talent with our players is enough to get the playoffs and when he gets there he can turn it on and I won't complain.
Your post and others trying to bust him up and making him sound more valuable doesn't make much sense either. You want him here as the 2nd coming of Jesus himself as if he's Kobe or something. See what I did there? Your playing the game of semantics as well. I'm curious as to why you felt the need to belittle my post. Nothing I posted is wrong man, come on. Isn't it OK to evaluate players and discuss how they compare to other players? If that's nonsensical 99% of all sports talk is nonsensical.
This is exactly what I'm hoping for. He wasn't exactly the clear 1st option back in his 1st 3 years as a Pacer starter. First time he got back from an injury, everyone was a little laid-back in putting pressure on his shoulder. The following season isn't any better either. He's their only bright spot and he gets away with terrible games and stretches without hearing a thing from the Pacer community. Now playing as a Thunder on his "max-assured contract year" with a ball dominant Westbrook and Melo... just never the right place and environment. Him being Laker should change all of that. His approach and attitude towards the game... as a Laker, a star, a leader, he must play like one or he'll get an earful every time his bored demeanor and disinterested persona shows up. Sent from my E6533 using Tapatalk
Ya'all forget about this? Paul George names new dog after Kobe Bryant <--Link Indiana Pacers star Paul George has long idolized Kobe Bryant, and now he'll have a Kobe running around his house as he's named his new adopted pit bull after the Los Angeles Lakers legend. George announced the news on Instagram on Tuesday. I forgot I made a gif after this and after LLLLL and the Cavs beat the W's lol Spoiler: LLLLL is such a dog When you should have taken Paul George’s advice and named your new dog Kobe instead of Lebron
i agree with real. and did someone say that george didn't accomplish enough with indy? iirc, he was the best player on a conference finalist that gave big-three era miami problems. how many players can claim that level of success? how many aren't considered superstars? he'd look great here, imo. i think he could be the best player in a balanced roster that can compete at a high level. we'll see if he thinks that.
Yeah star or superstar , Makes no difference , we need to hit at free agency this summer , I personally don't view him as a max guy, but after multiple summer strike-outs, you got to lock our guy up one way or another, I just hope he's willing to take a haircut to keep Jules on board and I don't think it's insulting to explore that scenario particularly cause they both share an agent in Mintz. Btw these OKC pretenders keep catching breaks , Im really hoping they fall out of the playoffs (although unlikely) but if not, then fall to the 7th or 8th seed to face Houston or GS (Curry could be out tho) in the 1st round.
I do see what you did. It's that type of hyperbolic speech I took issue with initially. I never said anything like he was Kobe and in fact explicitly said he wasn't Kobe. You're reaching at this point. I'm really not. I'm saying Paul George is a tremendous player and would be a tremendous addition and would immediately be our best player. Trying to frame him as a 3 & D player when he's absolutely more than that is incorrect. Whoever it was trying to say adding him wouldn't move the needle much was incorrect. Paul George is a star. I'm curious why you take it so personally that we disagree. If you feel strongly that Paul George is a 3 & D player, stand by your argument. Maybe you can prove me wrong, but I don't think so. There's far more evidence in support of Paul being more than that. I think I proved it wrong pretty well. The way you described Paul George was actually Trevor Ariza circa 2010. Paul George is an incredible talent and you're selling him short. Nothing personal, I just don't buy your argument that he's a pinnacle 3 and D player. I don't think I used that word, but let's roll with it. What is nonsensical (in my opinion) is trying to fit George into that small of a box as a player. He's far more than that, the statistics show that, the body of work shows that, the eye test shows that, etc. Josh Hart is a 3 and D player. Trevor Ariza circa 2009/2010 was a fantastic 3 and D player. Wes Matthews, Avery Bradley, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Danny Green, etc. are 3 and D players. Trying to put Paul George in that box is like saying Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler are 3 and D players. They're so much more than that and so is Paul George.
He did once. 12 secs and hit a three to trim the lead down to 2. But yeah, he has touched the ball thrice overall in the 4th. He's seen enough I guess. He'll be a complete idiot if he stays. Sent from my E6533 using Tapatalk
I simply copied your post and replaced Iguodala with Kobe. Do you not realize that you initiated the hyberbolic speech with what you are now claiming to take issue with? You are contradicting yourself. I think he's a great player as well, just not a top tier star that would propel us to instant contention. That's where people need to pump the brakes. I'm not sure why you feel so strongly about correcting what you feel is semantics. I mean, this guy even thinks Kawhi and Durant are 3&D players. https://fadeawayworld.com/2017/11/13/top-10-best-3-and-d-players-in-the-nba/ Likewise, I can't be "wrong" for feeling Paul George is one of the best 3&D wings on the planet. And yes, I think George is a souped up Trevor Ariza. He obviously has better all around ball-skills but lacks the elite playmaking skills that the 1st-tier superstar wings possess. He's not a primary initiator and I think he's best served sharing the load as the 2nd or 3rd option, similar to Klay Thompson. The thing is, I feel Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler (less so because he lives at the rim and foul line) are souped up 3&D players as well, so there's that
As crazy as this sounds...OKC is literally only 2 games from being OUT of the playoffs...but still only 2 games from being the 3 seed. I'm not sure where they land...but I'm hoping they do NOT have home court when the 1st round of the playoffs begin. Really holding out some hope that they land on the 7th or 8th seed though. Everybody is playing each other down the stretch though...seeds 3-10 that is. Going to be some major shuffling of the deck before it's all said and done. The playoffs have come early this year!
Also...OKC needs to lose in the first round for us to guaranteed have PG13. If they make the 2nd round...it will be tough to pry him away...and if they get CLOSE to beating GS or Houston in the 2nd round...we're pretty much not gonna have any shot of obtaining him
The way they are playing I don't see them winning playoff games. PG is always a distant 3rd option with Melo thinking this is 5 years ago and RW being RW ...
What gurantees? Are there not other teams in the league with cap that could also interest pg n vice versa? Say if hou finds a way to open up cap but lebron stays in clev, dont you think hou would be more appealing to pg if he wanted to win right away?
This really isn't that difficult to understand. You started with: That is the hyperbole I'm referencing and every statement I've made since then is in direct response to this post as well as a couple others before yours, including @svtzr who has since come to a reasonable agreement. I have not contradicted myself. I agree in general. That's why I want to get LeBron as well. I disagree that he's not a "top tier" star which is simple semantics. What separates a top tier star? The man has a resume right now that's borderline Hall of Fame if guys like Tracy McGrady are getting in. A few more years at this production and a couple more All-NBA teams and George's resume is really not all that different. So what's the difference then? He's better than anyone we have. Adding him probably puts us in the 45+ win club next season. I'd say that's a top tier star. Then that guy is wrong too. I feel strongly because it's a way to construct an argument to bring Paul George down a notch that isn't deserved. Categorizing Kawhi and Durant as 3 and D players is insulting to their abilities. They're far more than that. Paul George is far more than that. Yeah. That's not good right there. I think that's a massively misinformed opinion on Paul George. You're free to have an opinion, but that opinion isn't based on any evidence at all. Paul George has been Top 20 in scoring 4/5 years (the year he missed was due to injury). In fact Top 15 besides this season playing with Westbrook where he's 18th. Trevor Ariza has never averaged more than 15 points per game in his career. Paul George is an Olympian and a 5 time All-Star, three time All-NBA player, two time All-Defense. Trevor Ariza won one ring as a role player nearly 10 years ago. Paul George's career averages of 18.6/6.2/3.2/1.7/0.4 are better than Trevor Ariza's best season 14.9/5.6/3.8/1.8/0.6 which came in 2009/2010. That includes the splits where George shot 43/40/82 and Ariza shot 39/33/65 overall. Paul George has a career average Win Share of 6.6 (it's actually 7.5 if you exclude his injury season) while Ariza has an average of 3.8 Win Shares. Paul George has a higher TS% (with a higher USG%), a higher PER, nearly double his BPM, almost double Trevor's VORP. Trying to say Paul George is just a souped up Ariza is like saying Julius Randle is a souped up Earl Clark. Or Magic Johnson is a souped up Andre Miller. Or Kobe Bryant is a souped up Eddie Jones. Then I look forward to watching Lonzo Ball the souped up Steve Blake and Kyle Kuzma the souped up Andrew Goudelock for the rest of the season too.
Lonzo souped up Steve Blake and Kyle Kuzma souped up Andrew Goudelock .... smack. Following ..... Julius Randle is a souped up Earl Clark. Or Magic Johnson is a souped up Andre Miller. Or Kobe Bryant is a souped up Eddie Jones .... smack.
