Julius Randle Discussion: MIP

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  1. therealdeal

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    The key wasn't just the stats, but performing while we're also winning games. He and Ingram have done a tremendous job lately of not just playing well, but affecting the game so that we have a shot to win games. Last season for the most part even when one of kids in Russell, Julius, or Ingram had a nice game statistically, we still lost. Now we've already matched last season's win total and they're putting up big performances. Great development.
     
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    Don't you do it Magic. Price of LLLLL coming to chase rings with PG and the rest of our young star type talent in waiting is he follows the Heatles and the 2018 GSW blueprints and sacrifices a little cash. Randle and the rest of them stay.

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    This is the main thing to me. The stats are meaningful stats. They aren't Russell getting hot in the third quarter for 15 points to close a 22 point gap down to 14. But I think it also has to do with them making good plays that don't always show up in the stats. The timely defensive stop when momentum is shifting, a rebound to keep a possession alive that gets us a 10 point lead (mentally being down by double digits can effect people). The great pass that leads to an easy assist for another player. These types of things are winning basketball as opposed to Ricky Davis stat padding.
     
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    I wonder what Dennis Rodman would have averaged?
     
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    Mark Madsen would have led the league for sure.

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    I’d like to see Brook Lopez’s numbers on that one, it’s probably like .7 or something, accounting for games he doesn’t do it a single time.
     
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    2nd in the league in contested 2s per36 (just 0.2 away from 1st) and 3rd overall in contested 2s per game.

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    Cool. That's exactly what weezy asked. ;)
     
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    :Shaqlaughing 2:
     
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    He didn’t even make the box-out list, did he? That’s why you went to another stat? :D Ahh, we have fun you and I. I don’t actually hate the guy, I just gotta find some fun and keep a running joke going with each losing season to retain sanity. Laugh to keep from crying and such.
     
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    I just cry. It helps release the pain.
     
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    I knew that was going to come off that way, but honestly I couldn't find the "box out" stat. :D

    I spent about 10 minutes looking for it, but couldn't figure it out.
     
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    I don't care what it takes...re-sign Randle at all costs. He's been TOO good and if it weren't for Luke and FO screwing around earlier in the season, we might be fighting for 8 seed with Randle starting the entire year.

    I think Randle at $18M is actually a bargain...look at the other bigs in the league that got paid...Randle is worth every penny of that.

    If LeBron/PG13 want Randle to stay, they both will have to take paycuts to make it happen. I feel like they will do it too. They are going to need Randle especially when we go small ball...I mean LeBron is going to WANT Randle out there when we play against GS.
     
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    :KobeConfused:

    This sounds like other thinking along these same lines I read somewhere that I wholeheartedly agree with. They mentioned as well he is our one true TOUGH guy on the roster. LBJ needs a cat like that riding shotgun for him.
     
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    Not a ton of new information although Eric makes some decent points on timing. He also suggests that moving Deng might require a pick and used the Cleveland pick or a future pick as a kick-off point. If that's all it takes (one 1st) to drop Deng in order to keep Randle, that's not even a question. Do it and never look back.

    Again the simple math for being able to keep Julius is dumping Deng.
    Julius- 12.5
    Lonzo- 7.5
    Ingram- 5.8
    Kuzma- 1.7
    Hart- 1.7
    Zubac- 1.5
    Bryant- 1.4
    Cap Holds- 3.5
    Total- 35.6 (Cap Space of 65.4 million which should be enough for two max slots)

    Push come to shove for the extra million or so, include Zubac or Bryant in the dump. A package of Deng/Clev 1st/Zubac for a future protected 1st seems fair to me. I'd include a future protected 1st if we have to.

    The problem that Eric points out is: teams with a little cap space might think they're a destination early on and might not be willing to make this move. I argue that this move needs to be made during the draft which will be a week or so before FA opens. It sends a clear message and allows us the greatest flexibility. Go into the moratorium with enough room to keep Julius AND add two max FAs.

    Sign LeBron and George, re-sign Lopez for the room exception, bring in vet min guys to play the margins (Wade maybe, etc).

    Lonzo/Wade
    George/Hart
    Ingram/Kuzma
    LeBron/Julius
    Lopez (place holder a la Golden State)/Bryant

    Death lineup of Lonzo/George/Ingram/LeBron/Randle are you freaking kidding me? That's insanity. All 5 positions are basically interchangeable, fully flexible, defensively versatile. That's crazy town right there.
     

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