LABron James Discussion: The Final Year?

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by therealdeal, Jun 8, 2017.

Page 54 of 1370
  1. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    I don't think it makes sense for LeBron to go to the Lakers. He would be the best player ever in a Lakers uniform and that is crazy!
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1061
  2. ZenMaster

    ZenMaster - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    6,633
    Likes Received:
    14,990
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    What? He would be 4th at best.
     
    ZenMaster, Aug 10, 2017
    #1062
  3. Weezy

    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    20,188
    Likes Received:
    83,415
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Anaheim
    Offline
    :speechless: :KobeConfused::Kareemlook::Woozyshaq::Magic2:

    These guys disagree.
     
    Weezy, Aug 10, 2017
    #1063
    Battle Tested20 likes this.
  4. sirronstuff

    sirronstuff - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    33,506
    Likes Received:
    80,542
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Just look at the post count.....

    [​IMG]
     
    sirronstuff, Aug 10, 2017
    #1064
    scnottaken likes this.
  5. lakerfan2

    lakerfan2 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,220
    Likes Received:
    10,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Simi Valley
    Offline
    2 things don't make sense.

    1. Why wouldn't the Lakers want a player that would be the best player in a Lakers uniform?

    2. He'd probably be 4th. When he gets to the 5 club (Kareem (6x), Magic, Kobe) with the Lakers, he can call Jordan to reconsider his decision.
     
    lakerfan2, Aug 10, 2017
    #1065
  6. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    I don't think any of them were better than LeBron
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1066
  7. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    Lakers want him, but I don't think it makes sense for LeBron. I'm not talikng about rings, I'm talking about talent.
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1067
  8. Weezy

    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    20,188
    Likes Received:
    83,415
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Anaheim
    Offline
    I'll assume you never actually saw any of them play then and leave it at that.
     
    Weezy, Aug 10, 2017
    #1068
    scnottaken, The Showtime Mamba, Barnstable and 1 other person like this.
  9. lakerfan2

    lakerfan2 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,220
    Likes Received:
    10,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Simi Valley
    Offline
    Sure Lebron's talented, but come back when he scores 38,387 points talented, or has 138 triple doubles, or scores 81 in a game, and maybe I'll agree.
     
    lakerfan2, Aug 10, 2017
    #1069
    scnottaken and sirronstuff like this.
  10. lakerfan2

    lakerfan2 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,220
    Likes Received:
    10,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Simi Valley
    Offline
    [​IMG]
     
    lakerfan2, Aug 10, 2017
    #1070
    scnottaken and sirronstuff like this.
  11. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    Those stats are great but I tend to look more at advanced stats when determining how good a player is. LeBron is second all time in VORP and PER and first in +/-.
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1071
  12. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    It only makes sense if he brings someone with him. The Cavs are a mess and imploding before our eyes. The Warriors have a shelf life. If the Lakers are able to grab LeBron and Paul George to pair with their rising talent, it makes sense. LeBron wouldn't come here by himself of course.
     
    therealdeal, Aug 10, 2017
    #1072
  13. lakerfan2

    lakerfan2 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,220
    Likes Received:
    10,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Simi Valley
    Offline
    Yes, he was a very efficient player and contributed to a lot to his teams, there's no denying that.

    But to say Karl Malone Kevin Garnett and Barkley would rank above Kareem based on those "advanced stats" are quite telling of the weight of those stats when discussing "talent".
     
    lakerfan2, Aug 10, 2017
    #1073
  14. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    I agree. But I think that George is not enough. And the fit with Lonzo and Randle and the rest of the team is questionable.
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1074
  15. Battle Tested20

    Battle Tested20 Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    9,213
    Likes Received:
    24,866
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Technical Data Analyst
    Location:
    CA
    Offline
    Believe me this isn't a shot at you, but anyone that thinks the +/- stat is a good tool to decide how good a player is is an idiot.
     
    Battle Tested20, Aug 10, 2017
    #1075
    scnottaken, SamsonMiodek and alam1108 like this.
  16. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    O fcourse those are not the only important stats. Win shares are also important, rings, MVPs count too etc. We have to see the whole picture. But there's no technical answer for this debate. I just think he's probably the second best player ever.
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1076
  17. lakerfan2

    lakerfan2 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,220
    Likes Received:
    10,105
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Simi Valley
    Offline
    MVP count is debatable. It's an award that is voted for by the league and media.

    And that's your opinion of Lebron. But I'm going to have to agree with the first best player ever's opinion on even just Kobe and Lebron.
     
    lakerfan2, Aug 10, 2017
    #1077
  18. LA_BBall

    LA_BBall - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2017
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Offline
    Sure. Is not the perfect stat but is not useless.
     
    LA_BBall, Aug 10, 2017
    #1078
  19. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    28,475
    Likes Received:
    62,063
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    I do not question Lonzo's fit with LeBron for the simple fact that Lonzo will fit with anybody. He doesn't hold the ball long enough to piss anyone off and his greatest attribute is his passing so he wants to help people anyway. Whether Lonzo is a star or not is important, but I wouldn't say he is a "fit" issue. Randle is not guaranteed to be here past this season, Ingram is more of the "fit" concern, but even he is a basketball player and can change positions easily to fit around LeBron.

    If/when LeBron leaves, where does he go that gives him a better team, equal money, and equal platform?
     
    therealdeal, Aug 10, 2017
    #1079
  20. Weezy

    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    20,188
    Likes Received:
    83,415
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Anaheim
    Offline
    Ah advanced stats. The tool invented by guys who wanted to make up some way to show Kobe isn't actually that great or clutch because anyone watching him with their eyes could see he was and it drove them crazy. Looking at John Hollinger, Henry Abbott, Tom Haberstroh and Pablo Torre here. Pablo called LeBron the greatest player ever on PTI the other day, possible slip of the tongue, and said the Kobe vs LeBron debate was long over as if that's a fact. Millennials...
     
    Weezy, Aug 10, 2017
    #1080
    scnottaken, Barnstable, Battle Tested20 and 1 other person like this.
Page 54 of 1370

Share This Page