Nor was I. I said star. A kid we draft and grows up in the organization. What were you watching if he didn't impress you with how he played the last 3 months of the season? This is not a hard eye test. From the beginning of the year to where he was at the end and the FO is setting him up to work with Kobe on stuff he is already showing a good amount of skill and feel for. .... i.e. back to the basket. Now he gets tutored by Bryant. They don't set him up like that in public if they don't see a special player.
Watched the same games as everyone else and 3 months of solid to good play doesn't make you untouchable in my book. I'm not giving him up for peanuts but George? Yeah. I do that and wouldn't lose any sleep over it. My preference would be to use the pick get a big time guy. But no, I haven't been so blown away with any of our young guys that I couldn't part with them.
If we trade for Ingram we'll regret it. No doubt in my mind. If the Pacers are asking for them they can go f*** themselves and lose their star for nothing in free agency.
I don't think we will pass on George unless the Pacers ask for Russell and Ingram or something. I think Teague lessens the chance they will want Russell leaving Ingram and the pick as the likely pieces to create a deal around.
Ingram the likely player to be traded because of / for Paul George? Not a chance. 3 months of good play from the skinniest of 19 year old rookies that damn near logged the most minutes on the squad this year, from what he looked like as Bambi at the start who couldn't shoot .... ought to make Luke and Magic and Rob "the beast" Pelinka lose sleep. LOL you act like there's a chance he's maybe peaked or might regress next year. Anyway agree to disagee.
Yes. Ingram in a deal for George is fair. And please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say Ingram would regress or has peaked. I said I'm not ready to say he will be a HOFer and I stand by that 100%.
But it's OK for you to put them in my mouth? Twice now including me rebutting the first time. I'm talking about our single best chance probably for the next decade, if we get better and draft out of the lottery ..... for a fan favorite because he's a great kid and an "obvious" talent, home grown STAR. Stop with the HOF crap. I never said that. I brought up Elgin, Jerry, Magic and Kobe because they were great and were home grown. HOF was the frosting on the cake.
This is a wings league, 2 way wings are even more valuable ...lbj, giannis, pg13, butler, etc. I believe in ingram way more than russell even though stats wise his rookie season was more inferior to russell.
Can the Summer be over already? And don't put words in peoples' mouths, cuz that ain't sanitary. --Zig Ziglar
ingram/deng for george/something else useful? gotta consider it. at his peak, we can only hope ingram replicates george's productivity on both ends. i'm with elgin--my primary hope is to keep the pick and use it (and not ingram or russell) to get george. but in the star market, we're beggars.
Then a deal won't happen. Ingram has the potential to be every bit as good as Paul George. That's clear as day watching him. Nobody is saying the guy is a sure fire hall of Famer, but watching him it's clear he has incredible potential. It's not hard to see why people are so resistant to trading for him. Also if the Pacers don't want D'Angelo because of Jeff freaking Teague then they're idiots. Russell is a much better player with a higher upside.
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Swinging a deal that brings in George and gets rid of one of our bad contracts is a win.
THIS. Especially the part about telling the Pacers to go eff themselves. Jokes aside, you don't trade BI. Hell no.
Will Bird trade George to an Eastern Conference team? Not sure if he would. Our chances are good at the moment.
Magic over here putting his foot on that tampering line. I've got to say, he and Rob seem confident. We've been burned by Mitch and Jim's words before, but there seems to be something in the air that screams confidence with those two. I wouldn't be surprised if Paul George's camp and the Lakers camp are figuring out moving pieces behind the scenes.
