Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

what if it's ingram/deng/27th pick? not that i think they take it, but you never know.

 

what's "win now"? because george is most certainly going to help you win more than ingram. for the next few years.

at least you'd be out of mozgov cap hell?

me too. they should reject that.

part of why his trade value is probably pretty low.

again.

our only real assets are russell and ingram. if we keep our pick, that's three. everything else is fairly uninteresting to other teams, imo. to get a star of george's caliber, you have to give up one of those three (not two, but not zero). if they demand two, i tell them to take a walk and prepare for my max offer to him in FA next year. but if they'll take one, leave me everything else, and take a contract i don't like...i'm more than listening.

 

yeah, see...this is a recency effect. russell's been a more promising player than ingram. it's really not close, imo. i dislike russell's mentality, but results are results.

i wouldn't risk either on a one-year rental, which is why you make sure that's not the case prior to trade time. everyone feels burned by howard, but he NEVER stated that he even wanted to stay. it made me nervous the whole time. also, howard was a d******.

separate issue: i'm not as bullish on jimmy butler. his attitude concerns me, and i wonder if he can actually co-exist with other players who need touches. i don't have those worries with george. thus, ingram, russell, and the top 3 pick are all out of bounds for me in butler talks unless (again) i'm dumping moz or deng on them in the process.

anyway, i guess we're back to this being the ingram thread now. i wish i could share the late-season enthusiasm, but i'm not going to just forget the 65 games that happened before. i like him a lot, but he hasn't shown the real superstar stuff--not such that he's off limits in trade talks.

 

Ingram is definitely the Last Player I'd want to lose in a trade.. But, If it was something like BI + Houston's 1st for George, I'd have to seriously consider it.

 

Count me in on not trading Ingram for anybody team. Yeah he wasn't burning up the stat sheets his rookie year, but he's shown me enough over the course of the season to make me think he's gonna be the best player on this team in the future. If it means not getting PG so be it. If he really wants to come here, he'll be here in free agency if he doesn't get an extension. And I really doubt the front office is even considering trading him anyway what with their request of him to work out with Kobe over the summer. Stranger things have happened, yes but I really doubt it.

 

I've agreed with almost everything you said; if I'm comparing our situation to the 90's, some of the players that we drafted: Tony Smith, Elden Campbelll, Anthony Jones, Duane Cooper, Anthony Peeler, Nick Van Exel, Eddie, Jones, Frankie King, Derek Fisher, That's not all of them, but you get the drift; and of course we traded for Kobe.

Now, how many of those players were on our championship team with Shaq and Kobe? Besides Fish and Kobe? None, that I can think of. Now I know the dynamics and landscape have changed: particularly the way we have to navigate through the Collective Bargaining Agreement. We have to be intelligent, detailed, and really think 2-3 moves ahead in today's NBA. No doubt about that.

However, I think it's important (as I've said when we drafted these players) too not get too emotionally attached. There is a very real possibility that when we are in contention most of these guys will not be around.

Ingram is the last kid, I'd want to get rid of: for sure. Russell and Ingram, actually, but if there is a deal involving 1 of them to get Paul George, I might do it. I love those 2 in particularly, but it is what it is.

I will say this, though: judging from the rhetoric and the way the FO speaks so glowingly about Ingram, I'd say he is here next year and for years to come...

 

At this point, the only two of our young guns I'd be willing to part with is JC and Randle. I have no doubt that by the time Ingram is 24, he'll be one of the premier small forwards in the league.

 

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Ingram and Russell. I'd help either of them pack to bring in Paul George.

I've said a few times I don't view anyone on the team as untouchable and still feel that way.

 

And I completely agree with the thought that a lot of these guys could and probably will be gone on the path back to being a contender and that we shouldn't get attached to particular players.

I think we're pumping up how much we like guys to inflate their value on the trade market, which is the smart thing to do. No one should be shocked if we ship someone out.

Wasn't Magic actually rumored to be in favor of trading Ingram for Cousins?

 

My one and only concern with BI going forward is the freak physics related injury due to his slight build. He's a star in the making and it would be incredibly short sighted and stupid to trade him at 20 years of age. He has IT.

 

If Coop played the way he did for 12 years, BI will be fine. He has the frame to fill out too. BI will need to take what he did the last 20+ games and turn it into 82 next year. If he does that, he will improve greatly. If he starts dropping 20 a game next year, the Lakers will have their superstar in the making.

 

To clarify, it seems he would be much more vulnerable to the freak having your leg planted on the ground and then like happened to Bynum someone falls on it or rolls on it hyperextending the joint or breaking one of his tiny bones. Sure .... could happen to anyone's leg but who would you bet on coming out of it better? Zu with his tree trunk legs or BI? That's why I also mentioned physics. Otherwise I was amazed at how much contact he sought and absorbed against the bigs down low at his rookie weight all season long.

 

That's a big IF and the point I've been making. IF we have multiple trades in line to get back into contention, then I'm all in. Trade all our kids. Otherwise, there's no rush to get back to mediocrity.

 

We need one homegrown star at the very least from my fan's perspective. Baylor, West, Magic, Kobe as prime examples. BI our best shot with Zu behind him and Russell if he gets his head right. Can't give them ALL up. Would still be no guarantee.

 

You trade BI and the Lakers turn into Presti and the Thunder after the Harden trade.