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Any of those would do. It doesn't take a genius to tell a coherent story. Snyder just isn't that bright a film maker. He's got bad ideas. He's capable of some great cinematography, but that's about it.

 

I agree on the music. I think Zimmer is criminally overrated. He doesn't even do music half the time as much as sound effects. But in Zimmer's defense, you are comparing the music in MoS and BvS to the Superman March by John Williams. It is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written...for any movie...or even non-movies. John Williams doesn't really do soundtracks as much as he composes beautiful symphonies that are inspired by the movie.

 

DC Universe question I've always had:

Between Metropolis and Gotham City, which one is the equivalent of NYC?

 

It's generally believed to be Gotham = New York.

At various times Metropolis has also been New York, New Jersey, or most recently Chicago even though in the comics the two cities are close together. The location has been highly dependent on the writer over the years.

 

Agreed on all points, but Snyder isn't just the director he's the one who is in charge of creative control for the franchise too. He's their Kevin Feige who controls the strings for Marvel. That should be a scary thought for DC fans.

 

I HATED the Justice League previews... The only one that was interesting at all was Cyborg's. The Flash's was completely generic and could have been so much better. Aquaman's was AWFUL. He looked like a mix between a mermaid and an octopus and did nothing of substance. He was completely wasted.

And they included it in the MIDDLE of the movie! We were talking about other stuff and then suddenly we're watching Wonder Woman check her emails from Batfleck123@gmail.com! Why???

Awful...

Again I give the movie a large pass for some stuff, but there's just sooooooo much wrong with it.

 

It's not necessarily that they gave you the teasers, it was that a) it was misplaced badly, b) they were poorly executed for the most part, and c) were presented in a stupid way. Indulge me if you will:

Don't show them IN THE MIDDLE of the movie. Showing them in the middle of the movie foreshadows their involvement in THIS movie. Otherwise, why bother going through the trouble? There's a scene towards the end that just BEGS for Aquaman's involvement, but it never happened even though you set it up with the previous footage.

No, don't include it at that point because it's just stupid. Include it AFTER the climactic scene so people aren't wondering to themselves: hey if Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg exist here why aren't they helping? A giant monster is tearing down the city and they're okay to sit back and let that happen? I mean Flash couldn't even let a little liquor store get robbed. Why is he cool letting Doomsday run wild?

Show it at the end at ________'s funeral. The two main characters are standing off to the side chatting about the "others" (this is assuming you stay with your horrendous plot). While chatting about how ______'s death made you reflect and how you feel the need to expand the base of operations you talk about the "others" you saw on Lex's server. While talking about them show them doing something cool. Flash should be flirting with a chick while stopping a robbery or maybe catching a person falling out a window. Replace Cyborg with the vastly more interesting Jon Stewart who is wearing a trench coat, but you can see his glowing ring. Wonder Woman is fighting some unknown assailants and enjoying it. Aquaman is swimming and mingling with the denizens of the deep, whales or orcas or sharks or something.

Then wrap it up with something like "we need to call them together." And the reply "why?" The answer: "because something is coming... something dark... that we're just not ready for." End movie.

It gives you organic senses of the other JL members that they want to include. It doesn't follow Marvel's ideas which you're apparently avoiding by making "dark" movies which is code for movies without a coherent plot and murderous heroes. It provides you with the context of the new characters without breaking up the rhythm of the movie itself.

The way they did it made no sense at all from a storytelling perspective and seriously they made Aquaman incredibly dull. He's already a character with a shaky following. Give him something cool to do so fans can feel excited about him.

 

I think it's a very enjoyable film. I'll watch Affleck, Cavill, and Godot in a trilogy, for sure. I like Amy Adams. She's solid.

Affleck steals the show.
Eisenberg f***ing terrible. f***ing terrible. f***ing f***ing Terri f***ing ble.

 

I really am glad you guys liked it. I didn't at all, but I would have loved to have loved it.

The movie's box office is approaching disaster. Right now it's sitting at 680 million or so, but it took at least 450 million to make. The studio doesn't get 100% of those profits so some estimates have the movie needing to hit 800 million to break even. Warner has refuted that saying it's less, but even their estimates would have the break even point somewhere between 700-750 million (although they haven't officially said so).

Now, it's all relative. Batman vs. Superman will make money eventually and undoubtedly both in the box office and with greater other sales like merchandise etc.

However, the abysmal critical reception and the poor word of mouth have been crushing this movie's legs. Internationally it's not faring any better with China rejecting it almost completely at this point and many other countries backing away quickly as well. The Chinese market was so cold on BvS that there's some concern they'll reject other WB/DC properties without giving them a chance first.

I hope they delay Justice League and put someone besides Snyder at the helm. He's got some great strengths as a director (visuals are typically fantastic), but storytelling is not his strong suit. He needs to be replaced.

 

Because of the mixed reviews, I've finally given in to "acquiring" the movie, and I'll probably watch it tonight.

 

I hated it, but I openly admit there's some really really cool stuff in this movie. There's just a lot more that I hated.