D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. The Original 81

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    To say he's a bust may be nonsense, it's rare that I'd consider labeling a player a bust this early. Russell has clearly been the better player thus far though.
     
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    Yes, it was, and maybe a brief flash in the regular season. They play very well together. Black is the recipient on at least a couple of Russ' best passes as a Laker, caught and dunked both I'm thinking about. But for some reason B0ron hates him.
     
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    Byron hates logic
     
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    Be a nice way to counter if we had a stretch 4 or 5 and had a big who can rescreen on those types of plays. Well we do have one except he's not playing for some reason.
     
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    In the last 2 weeks I agree. Mudiay started off better.
     
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    Im saying people's laker goggles are not allowing them to see the fact the Russell hasn't played much better. 31% is terrible, but 40% is also pretty bad. 4 turnovers is terrible, but 2.3 turnovers is also pretty bad. So yes I am arguing that there is NOT a SIGNIFICANT difference in the two at the this point in their career. Russell is having a much better 14 days...Overall, not that different. Both subpar. On a Laker forum though, you can never say a player isn't a future HOFer without people feeling a certain type of way.
     
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    Who the hell said Russell was a Hall of Famer already? Nobody. He's averaging almost two less turnovers and shooting 10 percentage points better. That's significantly better production. Yeah Mudiay is averaging more assists, but so what? He's dominating the ball and is averaging a lot of turnovers. Not impressive at all. No 40 percent isn't a great percentage, but it's not God awful like 30.
     
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    Do not agree Johnnyboy, Mudiay may never become the quality of long range shooter that Russell is already, as far as a great shooting stroke, not to mention the flashes of brilliance we already are seeing in so many areas out of D'Angelo's skinny a** lower body 19 year old build. Mudiay is stronger, can jump higher. Big whoop.

    Russell >> bonafide leader and has "it" factor.
     
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    Mudiay is also in a different system. If Russell is in that same system, he'd be more efficient and putting up ROY numbers.

    If Mudiay is in this travesty of an offense we run, it would be even more a disaster
     
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    Exactly Mudiay is allowed to push the pace and not walk the ball up the court like we have to do with this Princeton offensive system. Ball in his hands. Doesn't have to worry about sharing touches with Kobe and often being resorted to being a stand still jump shooter. Talk about misusage.
     
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    Actually, 31 to 40% is a huge difference, and 4:2.3 is a ridiculously huge difference.

    It's like saying 40% isn't much worse than 49%, and 7 TOs aren't much worse than 4.
     
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    Russell is 252nd among all players with at least 100 minutes played. Mudiay is 338th, out of 345.

    One is a poor FG%, while the other is bottom 3% in the league.

    Russell's 55 turnovers are 34th most in the league. Mudiay's 86 are 5th most in the league.

    One is top 10%. The other is top 2%. These are clearly significant differences.
     
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    Johnnyboy was one of the main guys questioning Russell's heart, drive, calling him a bust, etc.

    To now flip flop and try to get upset with people criticizing Mudiay is pretty hypocritical.
     
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    lol, 31 vs 40, and 2.3 vs 4 "not a big deal". c'mon, bro.

    mudiay's had a rough time, and looks like a poor man's tyreke evans so far. Russell hasn't been great, but he's been a helluvalot better.
     
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    I really hate articles defending B0ron and his tactics. As if they are smart and designed to make our guys angry and thus play harder, as some sort of grand plan. B0ron throws crap at the wall and sees what sticks, he doesn't deserve defending by looking at what worked with Baron Davis forever ago, that's a reach. Adande sucks.
     
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    I agree, Its not God awful like mudiay. But its in no way "SIGNIFICANTLY" better. Thats all im saying. You can't just count the stats that russell is better at and then say "so what if mudiay has more assist" lol I can say, so what if he has 1.7 more turnovers, he handles the ball WAY more as a rookie. I just get tired of the laker goggles. I LOVE the lakers and this forum, but some people just go way too far on the D riding. (not saying you or anyone specifically) And read some of the prior comments. People are acting like the kid is a stud. Hes nothing yet. Hes just a kid flashing some potential. Thats it.
     
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    I'm going to defend Johnnyboy just a little bit in that there seems to be this need to tear Mudiay down now that he's having a tougher stretch even though he started off decently. There's even more effort because D'Angelo is having a nice stretch of games here.

    I'm not saying either side is right or wrong, but we're going by incredibly small sample sizes for both fellas. Maybe it's too early to call EITHER a bust and to be ragging on fans of EITHER player.

    Heck, Randle has now had two bad games in a row. Another game or two and some will be calling him a bust again. Johnnyboy's main argument might not have been great, but his overall point that we're judging a bit too soon may also be valid.

    Once I came around to D'Angelo I said that he had a higher ceiling than Mudiay probably but that I was unsure if he'd ever make it there or not. I think it's clear now he's got a good shot at realizing his potential. Mudiay meanwhile is struggling and his lack of a jumper is really going to hinder his development (sounds like Randle...).
     
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    There's been negative feedback from Russell ever since he was drafted. He's a very polarizing figure in just his first year.
     
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    Comes with being a Laker. When Kobe had those air balls against Utah people questioned whether he had a killer instinct something that is without a doubt his best attribute throughout his career.
     
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