Byron Scott Discussion 2015-16 - FIRED!!! (PAGE 172)

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    NBC Sports getting in on the analysis of B. Scott. I think the guy reads LakersBall.

    http://nba.nbcsports.com/2015/11/07...akers-development/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs


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    Byron Scott’s comments show what’s wrong with Lakers’ development

    By Kurt HelinNov 7, 2015, 6:30 PM EST

    Developing young players means pain — you have to put them out there in situations where they will struggle, watch them fail a few times, and help guide them to make better decisions the next time that situation arises. It takes time. It means some losses.

    Which is why this comment from Lakers’ coach Byron Scott, via Baxter Holmes at ESPN, from before the Lakers beat the hapless Nets on Friday makes no sense to me. Scott talks about benching his young players D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle and Jordan Clarkson to teach them a lesson.

    “I think when you make a mistake over and over again, sometimes that wood has a good way of talking to your butt a little bit, too,” Scott said Friday before the Lakers’ 104-98 win over the Brooklyn Nets at Barclays Center. “Getting a couple splinters here and there, sometimes that has a great way of communicating how important it is to play on that [defensive] end of the floor.”

    The Lakers have the second-worst defense in the NBA this young season, allowing 109.3 points per 100 possessions — they do need to focus more on that end of the floor. And after the game, Scott admitted Russell and company need minutes.

    But if you’ve watched the Lakers this season, you’ve seen Scott coaching like someone looking to win games now. Which is why Lou Williams is closing out games and not Russell (and a hundred other little decisions that show they do not want a repeat of last season’s win total).

    That’s backwards. The clear top priority for this team is not to win games now, it’s to develop players who can be a core part of a team that wins a lot of games a few years from now. This is not a playoff team, not anywhere close to it. (Not that I suggest tanking, their pick is just top three protected or it goes to Philly, that’s not when you tank. It’s a question of priorities.)

    Threatening a rookie’s minutes is a thing Scott does, this is not the first time this has happened, last preseason Scott threatened Randle’s minutes with Carlos Boozer. It’s a pattern. And it’s not one you see in Utah or Milwaukee right now, or back in the day with OKC, or with other franchises that have shown to be adept at developing young players. You live with the mistakes and teach from the lessons.

    The Lakers organization has never had to develop talent in this way before. They have had a good young players — Kobe Bryant, young Andrew Bynum, etc. — but they were always surrounded by veterans who could guide them along. The Lakers never had to rebuild like this. More often they let other teams do the development work (Shaq, Pau Gasol, the list goes on) then swooped in and grabbed them fully formed. The new Collective Bargaining Agreement (plus the power of social media to market a brand outside a major market) have changed the rules, and the Lakers are still adapting. They are going to have to get a development program in place that can build a base elite free agents want to play with (think Greg Monroe going to Milwaukee over larger markets).

    Byron Scott has yet to show he is the guy to build that program. He’s run players into the ground with old-school training camps two years in a row. He instituted an old-school offense. He has yet to show he can coach a good defense; this team will make five of his in a row in the bottom 10 in the league. Now he’s calling out young players in the media. Phil Jackson would send messages to veterans that way, but it’s different with young stars, and if you’re trying to recruit free agents next summer things like this get noticed.

    Scott was put in a difficult spot, anyone who took this job knew the first few years were going to be tough. The question becomes is he doing enough to make the next few years better?

    That said, I don’t expect the Lakers to let Scott go, at least not in season. There’s a sense he’s a Laker teaching the Laker way. I’d say that is magical thinking, but it will keep his job safe for now.
     
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    I'd be stunned if Byron isn't fired after the season. No way Mitch and Jim can let this continue. You can't have a coach who shows little to no interest in developing the young talent on the roster. Need to get someone here who's first priority will be to do just that because that's how the Lakers are gonna return to being the kings of basketball.
     
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    And that is why he has to go... Other coaches / teams in the same spot are doing it the right way. Scott is doing it HIS way which no longer works in the modern NBA of a younger and faster game.

    Even in the game against the Nuggets our own commentators commend Mike Malone for being hard on his players but giving them ample playing time. Mudiay was there down the stretch and he burned us and got the chance to stick to Byron for his "not a PG" comments.
     
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    I'd like to shake Kurt Helin's hand and buy him a drink, spot on.
     
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    If Joerger gets fired I think we should swoop in.
     
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    I think people are misunderstanding Russell's minutes a bit.

    Paul played solid minutes right from the start:
    33.5
    29
    33
    35.5
    36
    After that he played even more, but his first five games saw him averaging 33.4 MPG.


    Kyrie played:
    26
    20
    33.5
    28
    21.5

    26
    29.5
    29
    27
    28

    35
    -That's 10 games before he hit 35, and only two 30+ games in his first 11. In his first 5, he averaged 26.2. In the next 5 it was ~28. Then he gradually picked it up.


    Russell hasn't hit 30 in five games, and he's at 24.0 per game. So, yes, Russell's minutes are lower than both those guys, but they're not much different from Kyrie's, and I don't think it hurt Kyrie's growth.
     
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    Seems like "pitchforks" are beginning to show up in Media as well as the run on them in Lakers Nation.

    :Jacksnicker:
     
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    Agreed. The minutes thing is now being blown out of proportion. Besides, I've seen a much better D'Angelo Russell the last few games so by all signs it's been working thus far. I think the only thing that bothers me is pulling the kid when he's in rhythm.
     
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    Nah. I can't go that far. It is a big deal which is why so many are harping on it. As quick as we can say it didn't hurt a player we can also say it didn't really help either. Especially given how bad a lot of those teams were.

    Guys are getting yanked for no real reason and I don't think anyone can really argue against that. We have repeatedly seen multiple players pulled from games when they were playing well.
     
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    Or conversely too many minutes when not deserved.....
     
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    Which is exactly why I said:
    The minute restriction itself though is blown out of proportion because of where D'Angelo is relative to his peers from the draft.
     
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    You're my dude, Elgin, and I don't like Scott, but I don't see the problem with Russell's minutes so early in the season.

    If anything, I hope it helps him from hitting that rookie wall later in the season. He will have plenty of opportunities as the season progress to close games and get more experience.
     
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    If it were simply pulling guys who weren't playing well it probably wouldn't bother me so much.

    My issue here is not so much concept of limiting minutes and making someone earn their time on the floor, but the execution of it across the board.
     
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    This article outlines that Byron has no idea what he is doing. Man, this guy needs to go.
     
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    See my sig. He finally had me not harping on him by playing MWP, Nance and Black for a good period, and then going back to Russ, JC and Randle at the 6 min mark, then he blows it. Goes all Kobe ISO, takes Russ out with a minute and a half left. We waste so much clock forcing the ball to Kobe, the rest of the guys are rendered useless as they watch him, and we lose.
     
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    I want to see more photoshops of Byron with feces on his dome.
     
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    This motionless "motion" offense is terrible to watch. Either Byron can't teach it or these youngsters just aren't getting it, or both. It's like the high school shop teacher trying to teach calculus to algebra 1 students.
     
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