D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. lakerfan2

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    Better game from DLo.

    The fact of the matter is, we're not going to get the full D'Angelo show until he is the focal point of the offense. He NEEDS the ball in his hands to be effective. Is he NBA ready? Not quite. He's a frail 19 year old kid. He's still got growing to do too.

    But, I like the things that I'm seeing with his passing. It's all there. Once he gets accustomed to the NBA flow and develops better chemistry with the team, it will come. Byron's coaching isn't helping him at all. I don't think he's a particularly good catch and shooter, rather, he's much better shooting off the dribble.

    Defensively, he's got the length to defend a lot of players well. The issue is when he gets screened off, there's no help. And then people start blaming him not being able to keep up. ANYONE who gets picked off is going to have issues and it's up to the team to rotate and make adjustments. Again, this falls on Byron.
     
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    It's coming together...slowly but surely. I think eventually Russell will be a Steve Nash light. Incredible court vision, good stroke, matador defense. I hate all the naysayers calling him a bust already. He's a 19 year old kid playing the most difficult position on the floor as it pertains to making the NBA transition. He's also in the worst possible system for his talents. He has 3 ball dominant players on the floor other than him, with one of them (Kobe) being the worst offensive dead end in the league.

    It's funny because all the analysts and knowledgeable fans were saying he would take more time than Okafor, or even Mudiay. Everyone was saying he's not NBA ready, but he has intangibles that you can't teach. Yet here we are 4 games into the season and the analysts (apparently forgetting what they said 4 months ago when he was drafted) are throwing out the term bust.
     
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    I'm not seeing matador defense from him. And I agree with real, that when he gets stronger over time his D will improve, I don't think he's a bad defender at all.
     
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    I think his ceiling is Curry-lite. A lot less explosive offensively, but much better defensively and with more natural vision/passing ability. He'll never be an elite athlete, but with a little more strength he's going to look like a totally different player.

    I don't see matador defense at all though.
     
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    yeah I thought he defended well. Just don't have NBA strength yet...
     
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    OK. Matador may have been a strong word. But he is not playing great defense (granted, no one is) and I don't think he has the physical tools to ever be a good defender. He will be like Curry and Nash where we need a strong defensive guard at the two to help mitigate our losses.
     
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    I completely disagree with that. He's actually very large for a PG and has decent length. He's already gotten a handful of blocks on drives with his length which surprises people. He has the tools to be a pretty decent defender actually, just not the leg strength. Right now he quite literally looks like a young deer out there. If you watch his knees bend at odd angles and he takes a minute to build up steam in any one direction. He doesn't have the explosiveness to get to certain spots and that'll all come with him strengthening up his legs. He's Bambi out there, but eventually Bambi grows up to be a completely badass and serviceable basketball player defensively.
     
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    More dirt on the grave from Baxter Holmes...
     
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    I agree with realdeal Russell's defense has been far from bad. Mudiay only shot 3/15 and really the games people talk about like Sacremento and Minnesota he wasn't on Rubio or Rondo all that much. Once he gets stronger, that combined with his great size and length will make up for not having great lateral quickness.

    Offensively he needs to continue to work on his three point shot which is just erratic right now and he will. On those screen and rolls he'll need to attack more, but I think that'll come with experience, confidence, and increasing strength so he can finish with contact in the paint area. I think as his shots improves he'll find more ways to score. Shot faking, turning the corner on those screens and rolls, when bigs switch on you stepping back and hitting the jumper if they back off you, being able to post up because he'll be bigger than most point guards, his mid range game, and also as guys like Ginobli and Harden have done so effectively when teams try to be aggressive defensively using it against them and getting to the hole.

    I think this kid is gonna be a superstar. I think he's the best player in this year's draft. If I'm wrong I'll openly acknowledge it, but I think we've already seen flashes of what he can do in this league. He's got a long way to go obviously, but I think when we eventually get a competent coach with a real system in place that will actually utilize him that will help him expenentially, the more seasoned he gets, adjusting to the NBA game, working on every aspect of his game and improving on the things he's already good at it.
     
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    I liked his effort on D last night. Effort is 50%. The rest will come.
     
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    He looked quicker to me too this game. Thought he played pretty solid D staying in front of Mudiay. I like that he plays in control. I never feel like he'said on the verge of making a stupid pass. Even when he turns the ball over, rarely is it because he was out of control and threw the ball away. IMO his ceiling is probably significantly higher than Mudiay's.
     
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    uh, the lakers drafted him. had the lakers drafted okafor, they'd be preaching patience with russell and caution in okafor's start (but the rebounding and fg%!).

    i think he's going to be an allstar caliber player at some point (maybe by year 4?), but towns is going to be the top player from this draft. he's already really good and has a lot of room for growth, too.
     
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    Yeah I think Towns is probably the best prospect in this draft class but we couldn't get him anyway.
     
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    I think Russell's ceiling is higher both than he and Okafor. That's why I was fine with the Lakers taking him. I knew they were likely gonna be better out of the gate because they were more NBA ready, but over the long haul with Russell's defensive potential, his incredible court vision and playmaking which has already been showcased, his scoring ability, I just think he's gonna be a great all around point guard. Really I think you couldn't have gone wrong with any of these three. I think they could all be big time stars. I think at the end of the day Philadelphia, Minnesota, and the Lakers will all be happy with their picks.
     
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    Well players like Towns and Anthony Davis are rare specimens. They impact the game in ways smaller guys simply can't. I just feel a do-everything type of big man is more versatile because they could play in any system and still be effective. So it's really not fair to compare, and we probably shouldn't.

    Having said that, I feel Russell's basketball IQ and vision are special too. Everything about this kid screams "floor general" With the right system and surrounding cast he could be just as valuable as Towns.
     
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    Agreed. My reasoning for wanting Mudiay or Okafor over Russell was never about potential. I wanted a kid more capable of contributing a lot right away in order to make us more attractive to FAs. Russell has exceeded my expectations in a lot of ways, that's why I see myself in both camps here. Sure, I wanted Okafor but I'm more than happy to root for our kid. I see a lot of potential, but a lot of time it'll take to get there. Look how long it took Curry.
     
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    it took curry a long time to be a star, but his rookie numbers were actually pretty good (better than i expect russell's to be at the end). people forget curry was 18/6/5 on 46/43/88. it's not like he was overwhelmed by the nba game from the jump--his first eight to ten games were a feeling out period, but he was on track after that.

    a comparison to make us feel more optimistic would be steve nash, who took a few years to figure out how he fit in the league. in his first year as a starter, he was an 8/6 guy with pretty poor percentages. that's what we'll be looking at with dlo this year. doesn't mean it's over.

    i had russell third on my personal draft board after okafor. the reasons are playing out exactly (not strong or quick enough to do what he did in college in the nba) right now. but there's a long way to go before we know what he will be. i remain pretty optimistic, and my homerism has allowed me to project him ahead of okafor down the road.
     
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    Curry was also 21 when he got drafted, iirc. 3 years of college as opposed to 1 is pretty significant.
     
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    Not to make excuses, but let's not forget that a guy like Curry, and other rookies that are putting up stats right now, have pretty much been handed their franchise. Russell is battling for a role with Clarkson, Randle, and Kobe out there, and getting play time take away by Lou. If Russell was just thrown out there to run the whole show like Mudiay I'm pretty sure he could put up decent numbers too. His development right now isn't really about pure numbers though, it should be about not keeping him on a short leash and hurting his confidence, confusing him and not defining his role.
     
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    I'm not down on Russell at all. I actually think he looks better then what I expected at this very early stage given the situation he's in. He's a capable defender, most of the time he gets beat is when he's screened off which isn't his fault most of the time. He plays the game the right way - finds people, takes good shots (just not dropping). He just needs to be a bit more aggressive driving to the hope but he needs to develop a few tools to be effective in that area - namely a floater to finish over big guys and a bit more strength to absorb contact on finishes. Once he proves to be a threat driving to the hole, it'll further open up the floor for him to find people.
     
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