Rui Hachimura Discussion: Huge Buckets

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  1. lakerjones

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    Yeah he’s not taking some big pay cut this summer for us nor should he. Just pay him. I don’t think we should let him walk for nothing, that’s dumb.

    Let’s get real now, the guy has shot 54% overall and 57% from 3 in the playoffs! Tonight he had 21 points and shot 62% from three. Explain to me why he should be making less than he is currently which is a pretty reasonable contract at $18 million a year? In what world should you get paid less for playing better in a contract year? Why do some folks think that’s even a possibility that he would accept that?
     
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    Because that's how FA and cap space works.

    Any team that wants to pay him over MLE needs to do it via cap space. There's only a few and most are tanking teams, those aren't probably using a chunk of it on Rui nor Rui would be interested. Likely only Clippers and Atlanta will be the competitive teams with cap space. Atlanta has cap space if they let Kuminga walk. I don't see them doing that to get Rui. That leaves the Clippers and they only have the cap space if John Collins walks, which is also a swap that they arguably are not interested in.

    Then you have teams with the MLE and there's a bunch of them. And here I see a few of them interested in Rui. And that's where negotiation comes to. Does Rui want to move cities and get MLE money to go to Charlotte, Philly or Portland, not knowing if he will fit and it will work out or does he accept 2-3 million less to stay with us where he knows what to expect, keeps his life as is and is part of this new Luka-led building block?

    There's this misconception that players get paid what they're worth but the way the CBA is built, especially for role players, it's really more to do on what money and exceptions are available and how the market shapes up rather than what they are actually worth


    People also forget quickly. In our famous March run, Rui was a non-factor. He averaged 9pts, 2 rebs and 0.5 assists. He played the fewest minutes all year. Hell, between December and March he never averaged more than 10.5 pts. I mean any stat you choose is bad.

    https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/4066648/rui-hachimura

    He is definitely a playoff riser and has been insane this post season. And that's very valuable for sure and he deserves it. But he wasn't good all year and there's a strong indication that he may not find this type of production when playing along Luka, AR and Bron altogether as it never happened throughout the year.
     
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    Totally agree that the the amount of money that’s available in the offseason is going to dictate role players and needs to be considered in this new CBA. If you actually look into it, there aren't that many teams that are going to have the full MLE. From what I can see:

    - Atlanta
    - Charlotte
    - Detroit (maybe not, they have to resign Duren, Tobias Harris & Kevin Huerter within 59m to have the MLE)
    - Miami
    - Portland
    - Spurs (need to resign Barnes with bird rights to get the MLE, otherwise its room)
    - Toronto
    - Utah
    - Washington

    There are some others that could have it if they renounce their free agents, like Boston (Vucevic), Golden State (Porzingis), Houston (Eason), Clippers (Mathurin & John Collins), Philly (Grimes & Kelly Oubre) and Phoenix (Mark Williams, Goodwin and Gillespie).

    I think one of those teams would give Rui the full MLE offer. So we probably have to be around there or slightly more to retain him. Players can also get offended by their current team when they feel they aren't appreciated and take a 1 year prove it elsewhere contract. I'd rather not lose the asset that Rui is, so I'd offer him a 4 year contract with a PO in year 4, starting between at 18. That's 4 years 80m.
     
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