Rob Pelinka Discussion: BBall Ops Pres + GM (AKA: Lucky Rob)

That's my concern. To address the issues on this roster or whatever version we move forward with, it'll take 3 cycles (mid-season, off-season, mid-season), the more of those you sit out the more pressure you put on yourself and fewer misses you're giving yourself.

 

that's all true. i'm still stuck on the idea that we're NOT putting both our first and some cap space out there in an attempt to find a starting-caliber player on a luka/reaves timeline. i think we are. ellis moved. did we offer a first? is he a starting-caliber player? we don't know. as always, i'm waiting to see who does move and whether we had a shot at them.

i agree that getting two starters just using cap space and picks in the summer is difficult-to-impossible. but getting one starter with a single pick and expirings at this deadline may also be impossible.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what I said the other day. Skip this trade cycle & you better nail this offseason. That doesn't include just maxing Reaves; there are subsequent that better follow.

 

Yeah. I don’t see how you can address everything in one swoop as you all are pointing out. Also feel like banking on guys Giannis and even Watson is a mistake. Very high chance of ending up in a situation where we wait for those guys and the market completely dries up.

 

Well do ANY of you guys, have some actual trade scenarios, using all this cap space and drafts picks available this summer? You have to have enough salary going out, in order to trade for a good player, so how would any hypothetical trade , that you like work? Give me some specific players, and your path to them. To my knowledge...Ayton, Smart, Vando and Jake are our tradable contracts...Who can we get with some combination of those guys?

 

This team healthy, is still only play-in caliber? We ain't ever winning jack. I mean damn.. Luka, Lebron,Austin, Rui, Ayton, Smart, Vando, Jake, and Hayes? We can't add a minor -mid move, and be right in the mix? Jeesh. We just won 50 games last season!!!

 

Yeah and if we had Ayton and Smart we beat Minnesota and get at least to the Conference Finals too. Hell we are missing an All Star caliber player for over half of the season so far, that has to account for something man. How do you know, that adding another mid move, doesn't put us in contention? It's depends on the player involved. Hell we are still in the mix , for a top 4 seed with Austin missing over half of our games.

I have my Rob and JJ issues, hell yeah...but we aren't some damn scrubs either.

 

I'm not arguing with you on that take. I think Rob has been mediocre ASF, but we do have some high end talent on this team, inspite of my opinion of him.

 

Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. This is why I (sound like a broken record) think there should be more qualified people in that room with Rob. Get as many smart basketball people as you can.

I'm hoping that the Giannis s*** is done by this trade deadline; it will keep Rob from reaching for the stars this summer and concentrate on building an actual basketball with two-way players I hope.

This year? Not expecting much but a first or second round exit. Shrugs.

 

There is one high end talent on this team. 2 one way players and a bunch of 50/50 players with 3 walking corpses.

 

Agreed on all of that. We keep renting guys for a season then losing them for nothing.

I don’t understand not playing our younger guys at all. Agree that we should let guys like Nick or Kobe develop and live with their growing pains as opposed to trotting out Gabe who we know can’t play.

It’s definitely all frustrating and I get why the Twitter guys are already sounding the alarms.

 

We’re not scrubs, but that’s kind of the frustration I think. We haven’t been out and out scrubs for the past few years. But there’s always a few glaring weaknesses that get exposed when we get to the playoffs.

 

You know I’m with you 100% on getting more basketball minds in the room. I think if the team remains the same we probably are looking at another quick exit unfortunately. Austin helps but I just don’t see a team built for playoff success.

I don’t think a single move makes us contenders but it would be nice to see us get a solid piece that will be here for the long haul.

 

No disrespect to anyone, (there is a lot of valid criticism being expressed IMO.) but I don't believe that we are as far off from contender status, as some of you guys do.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat, and I'll give you a mid-level move, that would get us legitimately into the mix this postseason IMO.
Now it would be ideal, if we could flip our 31 FRP, into at least 2 FRP , but in the event that we can't, Id give up a FRP for..

Adding an Athletic SF/PF like Jerami Grant or Wiggins. I like these two guys for this team for a couple of reasons. They both have the ability to switch from 2-4 defensively, and hold their own 1on1. I'm not saying that either are exactly elite lock down defenders 2-4, but both have the length, lateral quickness and defensive instincts, to give a solid respectable effort without needing help. They can both handle the ball and give us another secondary ball handler on offense. They are also both decent 3pt shooters, Wiggins shoots 38% from deep and Grant 37% with similar volume to Rui. Both are in the 30M salary range, which is doable by moving Rui and Gabe or Kleber. While neither are any upgrade over Rui on the boards, the offensive and defensive versatility they provide, are worth the price IMO. You can put these two guys on players like Murray, SGA, Ant and Harden, while also checking guys like Leonard, KD, Williams, Randle, with a respectable effort. You just can't get that from Rui.

Luka, Austin, Lebron, Grant or Williams, and Ayton. That's a legit starting 5, and Smart, Jake, Vando and Hayes, is a legit 9 man playoffs rotation. Yes we need Luka, Austin and Lebron to ball out, in order to make a deep run, but that's what we expect of those 3 guys anyway.

 

I’ve been saying the same thing for a while, we can’t build a team in a single offseason. We got Luka last deadline, LaRavia this offseason. Pair that with Reaves and Hayes and we have 4/10 spots sorted for the next 3-4 years. I suppose we could add Rui to that if we decide to keep him, maybe Adou has the chance to join too provided health and development.

By my count we need 5 players. Would be nice to get one now.

 

You can’t honestly say that Hunter plus sending out a 2nd is better than a Rui + receiving a 1st package. I think we could have swung Ellis and one of DeRozan/Lavine/Monk/Schroeder if we wanted to attach a first. Maybe even for a second and some swaps.

Reports did say that talks broke down after we agreed to a swap but we didn’t want to take on long term salary.

 

We only know we didn’t want to trade rui/knecht for hunter. That’s all. The rest is people’s speculation involving a notoriously stupid franchise and their desires.