D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. ShowTime_IR

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    It's not panic mode, it's a reality check. I think the fans went overhyped about him and Randle for THIS SEASON. they are still kids.
     
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    That said, Russell's turnovers were a problem but one that can be fixed. It will be helped immensely by getting some chemistry with his teammates and even adequate coaching. He also has to start looking for the simple play instead of the spectacular one (at least until he adjusts to the speed of the game).

    Outside of that he played much better defense than I expected and his rebounding is translating which are two big plus marks for him.

    Overall, his first summer league was pretty hit and miss which is typical.
     
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    Chris Paul during summer league averaged 10.7 points on 35% while having 3.9 to's a game and 4.7 asst. So it's normal for ROOKIES to struggle in the beginning, once he adapts he'll be fine.
     
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    Nah...but expectations lowered a bit.
     
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    Yup, just a tiny bit.
     
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    Yes
     
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    Well there is only one way to go from "Beast", ROTY, "Dominant", "Unbelievable", "Best skills", "Steal of the Draft".....

    Expectations have been borderline nuts for these guys. 19 to 22 year olds in their first season will disappoint significantly at times and when you start from the level the expectations these guys have been elevated to it will look like Panic I suppose.

    The gap between college and the Pro's is significant and adjustment will take time. I don't think anyone can predict how these guys will cope with that gap while being in the brightest spotlight in the league.

    High draft picks are, at best, a 50-50 proposition to start with. Clarkson was passed over by a lot of teams 2 times and a lot of lottery picks in the last few years are barely in the league so it's really a crap shoot.
     
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    IMO we don't need to lower expectations for our young very talented players. They all seem to work extremely hard and have the right attitude. Most everyone here knows it is just going to take game time experience. They will adjust dramatically with court time. JC is a perfect example.
     
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    On a positive note regarding the way we play, it couldn't get any worst right right ??
     
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    Yeah I thought just about all of those were his fault. :D :D

    The one to Randle was maybe Julius's fault and the one to Black was maybe more Tarik, but yeah just about every TO there was on him.
     
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    Yeah I replayed the pass to Randle about 5 times. That bounce pass was directed below Randle's knees so that counts as Russell's TO.
     
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    He's a guy in college that looked to score most of the time and now he's trying to be a facilitator. The adjust is harder for him than it should be to be honest. He and Julius are just WAY over thinking this thing. Go out and play your game and the rest will come. Don't be something you're not and make sure you do the small things. So far D'Angelo has done MUCH better than expected defensively, he's rebounding at a decent rate, and I've seen plenty to be encouraged about.

    I don't see stupidity from him or Julius, I see pressing. They're trying to be Jordan Clarkson instead of being themselves. Jordan has half a year of STARTING in the NBA to fall back on, the young guys have NOTHING. They need to just relax, have fun, play your game. Russell can take more shots it's fine. Randle needs to crash the glass with some ferocity like he showed last year. Where's the guy last season who was getting boards in traffic and driving coast to coast? Where's the no-look pass guy from Randle? Where's the silky smooth jumper from Russell? It's not gone, they're just not doing it.

    I'm not worried, but I'd be encouraged to see them play more freely on the floor.
     
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    I'm not worried either. At the moment, these guys both appear to be trying way too hard to live up to their draft spot number. It's worse for Russell with Okafor hanging over his head one spot behind him I think, and looking so polished already. What makes it even worse on top of that is we appear to run no offense or not any that play to these guys strengths anyway. Has to be a little hard at least going out and having to create from nothing every play, while the Knicks team are in sync and looking like the freakin Spurs. Every play run for through Randle is an ISO, you're not going succeed as a PF given the ball at the top of the key, facing up on your man, and improvising your way to the hoop every single time. It's ugly, both of these guys need some real coaching and a real offensive game plan, and I don't think Byron is the guy for that. Could hurt or slow development, but I hope not. It didn't hurt Clarkson, but I think that might be because his game DOES work off ISO plays and improvising.
     
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    We're running Princeton sets, but it's like the guys have only really learned one set and the entire point of the Princeton is movement. All they do is run a couple of wing screens that take 12 seconds. Now we've got half a shot clock and the guys run a pick and roll to get free but if that doesn't work, they turn the ball over or take a tough shot. Just awful coaching.
     
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    i've never seen such stress being produced from summer league games...let the kids get all this out of their system now...this is the first time they're playing with each other
     
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    Agree, bnui\
    It will help when Kobe is around to talk to these guys. At least he'll know clearly what Byron's ideas at best look like and will be a coach on the floor. Problem of course he will be skipping many practices. But in games whoever gets to sit next to him on the bench will be getting real time feedback and lessons from one of the all time great competitive minds in the game. Who likes to say, "execution" a LOT.
     
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    I'm definitely not putting too much on Summer League play.. There's no system, none of the veterans on the floor.. Half the guys out there are scrubs who will get no PT.. There really is no flow or familiarity to the game at this point.. There have been flashes of brilliance.. The two main issues are forcing passes & reluctancy to shoot...
    Those are easy fixes.. We know the upside, these other flaws will go away fairly quickly IMHO.
     
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    found this scouting report on Durant when he was in summer league

    "As I noted last Tuesday, though, any fan of Durant should be quite disappointed. Durant managed to capture only 8 rebounds in 137 minutes of playing time in Vegas. Over the past 14 seasons, 99% of all NBA players rebounded at a better rate than this. He also only scored 0.73 points per field goal attempt [(PTS-FTM)/FGA), a mark that was bested by 96% of all NBA players since 1993-94. In sum, Durant couldn’t rebound and he couldn’t shoot. Given that these two activities will define much of his NBA productivity, observers of Durant should be quite disappointed. "
     
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    This is the time to look awful and turn it over, assuming there is such a time. He's a rookie, a kid in my view, and I'll hold off on crucifying him.
     
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    Yea, I find the level of criticism a bit ridiculous. It's the summer league. So many great players have sucked in the summer league.
     
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