D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Yeah, but at some point you have to look at the player and kind of compare them to other players you saw that were that "skilled" at 19 and had "IT". They don't necessarily come together in the packages the great ones come in.
     
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    The Russell vs Okafor thing isn't going to go away. Might not go away their entire careers depending on how things turn out. I'm good with it though, I get the thinking. We went with the idea that it's easier to get quality bigs, or a big you can play through maybe, than it is to get a guy that can run your team on offense (and be a leader). The FO may be proven right, we'll have to see. If Kobe retires after this season though, it's going to become even more apparent how important having a guard that can run the show like Russell is. He's adjusting right now, give it some time, kid has lots of potential. Okafor isn't perfect so far either. He is indeed slow, poor on defense and at the FT line, and he's too eager to go up quick instead of pump faking, and plays like Nance blocking him from behind at the very end of the game happen when you do that.
     
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    I just watched an interview with him (was after todays game). He said the thing he looks at on the stat sheet is his turnovers. Admitted he's a "risk taker and could get away with that in college, but it's adding up here." Gave himself a C+ for his defense. Said Coach Scott came in the lockerroom at halftime and gave them constructive criticism that fired them up. Said the team ran about 8 different plays on 8 straight possessions to get the lead and it required all 5 guys buying into it.

    Interestingly, said he lived with Karl Anthony Towns for a couple months in LA leading up to the draft. They lived together and worked out together. Said he woudn't reveal where Towns wanted to play, but that he'll succeed anywhere he's at. Said Okafor never told him where he wanted to play, but also feels he'll do great in Philly.
     
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    His shooting does not worry me, because he'll work on his shot and it's still early for him. Besides, he is not going to take very many shots at first, not with Clark and Kobe (or Swag, or Lou) on the team. But looking at the stat sheet and seeing his turnovers... yeah, that's a step in the right direction. He's realizing this is not college anymore.
     
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    Wow I'm surprised he got such a negative response. I thought he played pretty well actually. Not as great as his first game, but he showed a lot of good things.

    Pros:
    - Able to get into the lane against smaller guys, I like that.
    - Defensively he's looked great. One of my biggest fears was that he wouldn't be able to keep up with NBA speed, but he's looked good defensively.
    - Shot creation is there for himself whenever he needs it out of the pick and roll. Great job of getting the guy on his hip.

    Cons:
    - He's 19 and he's not in the same kind of shape as he'll need to be for the NBA. Needs to get stronger and needs to get in better condition.
    - He gets into the paint and doesn't know what he's doing. Go to the paint with purpose young man.
    - Awareness! He had I think two shot clock violations yesterday. Get your head on straight young fella.

    Overall I thought he played pretty well. I'll assume he was tired because he looked like it. I like that JC kind of built him up at times on the floor and told him "hey relax let me take over the ball handling for a bit and catch your breath". It was great stuff. I think the two of them really will mesh well going forward. The reality is he's a young kid and he's just not as ready as we want him to be. We see the potential and we just want it realized already. It's unfair to compare him to Clarkson or Kobe or anyone else in terms of development, he'll get there.

    As for Okafor vs. Russell: I mean we all saw that coming right? Coming into the NBA everyone, even Russell-ites, should have been able to honestly say "okay Okafor is more NBA ready" because Okafor is years ahead of his time. Now that we've got Russell we'll have to live with at least a year or two of him developing and catching up to Okafor's overachieving development. I think he will and I think we'll love our back court enough to off-set the fact that we passed on Okafor. I think it's easier to build around Russell/Clarkson than it is to build around Clarkson/Okafor in general. That's especially true if you don't believe Okafor is good enough to be the #1 option on a Championship team because if Okafor isn't your #1 option offensively, you're kind of wasting his talent.
     
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    Wait. being 19 is a con and he was "tired". If you can't play ball twice in a day at 19 something is wrong. 19 and nerves I believe but tired?

    I think he's going to take a while. PG in this league is a pretty technical position if played right. College to the pros typically takes a few percentage points off the shooting numbers for a few years. I'm not expecting much over 40% for a year or two. This is a huge jump in competition and playing against man defenses all the time is a change from college.

    His "risk taking" will need to be curtailed at this level a little. The level of competition is raised significantly and passes that were amazing in college are more than likely turnovers at this level.

    I'd actually like to see an uptempo offense with him. An contrary to a lot here I don't want to see him primarily in pick and roll. I'd rather he learn the entire game over just playing to what his strengths are at the moment. You know... develop him beyond the Brandon Jennings of the world.
     
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    Really hope Nash comes and helps Russell and even JC some more, they would benefit a lot from him. Russell especially, if he drives and theres not a pass open then he looks stuck out there.
     
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    Yes, tired. He's 19 and has never had NBA practices to go along with back-to-back games. He's not an elite athlete and he's not very strong. He'll tire easily when going against grown men. I don't think that's such a difficult thing to imagine.
    I agree. I've said as much more than once.
     
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    It's going to be an adjustment period, I for one knew that he would need time, especially more so than the polished Okafor.
     
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    Clarkson wasn't made in Summer League y'all.

    I think being the number 2 pick, we as Lakers fans are putting WAY too much expectations from him.

    College ball and NBA ball are two very different levels. The thing with Russ is that he's learning right now what can and cannot fly. Trials and tribulations. Right now, he's finding that he can go around a pick and usually get a nice midrange jumper. He's finding that some of those slick passes aren't going to make it sometimes.

    It's quite apparent that Okafor is definitely NBA ready from the get go, BUT the I do see that his ceiling is lowering a bit for me. Russell is showing that he has A TON of potential in my eyes. He doesn't quit. He doesn't get his head down. He keeps playing despite his mistakes. That right there is a "Kobe-like" mindset. Failure leads to a lesson for him, and he can only go up from here.

    I love it.
     
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    It's been a while since I was 19. I was in really good shape, but if I would have had to play back to back NBA games, I would have been dead. Playing a couple games a week around 3 months ago is not going to get you into NBA game shape, I don't care how old you are. Haha
     
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    Growing pains. He is 19 and anxiety is getting the best of him. He has the tools. Work in progress.
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    not gonna lie, watching Okafor go to work yesterday made me a tiny bit salty...
     
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    Games actually expend less energy than a properly run practice. No bench time in practice, no TV timeouts and no standing around while people shoot free throws etc.

    I coach AAU basketball and have for years and there is a method (90-90) to not allowing any more than 90 seconds of stopping during a practice. My kids (15 to 17) after a game are not nearly as tired as they are after a practice. If they suck it up in the game we will have a practice after the game. Sometimes we have 4 games a week intertwined with at least 3 full practices. No one is "dead" after a game. A game is full on for 30 minutes or so and even then there are 8 to 10 minute rests and a half time. Practice is 90 minutes of go with one stop for 5 minutes followed with a walkthrough and live running of the O&D sets for another 30 minutes.

    At 19 and carrying what? 180lbs, he shouldn't be tired to the point of it affecting his game. I believe it's more of a nerves thing and adjusting to a higher level of competition. Black and Nance didn't look tired. Clarkson definitely didn't look tired. I actually didn't see any signs of fatigue rather he seemed unsure of what he was doing and what what going on around him. Most of his misses were not short or "short armed" either.

    A bunch of guys thrown together a week ago will look confused. Toss in the media hype and expectations playing against Okafor and I believe the kid was pressing more than he was tired.
     
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    @bonk sorry but you can't compare AAU basketball to NBA basketball. These are professional athletes that have unbelievable conditioning (not kids going to school eating burgers) and yet they get "tired legs" all the time.
     
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    And your experience in this come from.....

    You know how many top college and NBA players have come out of the AAU leagues in the greater DC area? You made my point. If one of my "burger eating" (Kobe eats a lot of burgers doesn't he?) "kids" can play 4 games and have 3 full practices in a week without getting tired then these unbelievably conditioned NBA guys should be able to do it and jog home after the game.
     
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    Re watched for his TOs.

    1 - Shot clock violation, was not aware of time.

    2 - Stepped out of bounds on JC pass on the wing.

    3 - Tried to get fancy with a no look and threw it directly to defender

    4 - Bad outlet pass to Brown

    5 - Lost the ball in transition off his foot

    6 - Pass to Black that Black wasn't prepared for. Great pass, this wasn't on him.

    7 - Stumbled off screen, out of control throws ball straight to defender

    8 - Drives, ball stripped, off his leg. Frustration apparent after that one, pressing in crunch time.

    Mixture of mental and careless plays.

    Otherwise his defense was superb and a majority of his shots were all very good looks that he created, just didn't get them to go.
     
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