LABron James Discussion: Triple Triple Doubles

You should be for picking Bird over LeBron. Length of dominating excellence in the league has to count an important portion of this rating, IMO. Bird without that excellent team around him in the 80s could never have put rosters on his back and gotten them to the finals …. as great as he was. And he was done being great because of his body a whole decade sooner than James. Same with Magic … great as he was.

 

won't wade into it other than to say that you pick your parameters fairly arbitrarily, and that defines the argument.

if it's say, 8-year peak, magic and bird have an argument against lebron, imo (i'd still take lebron over either, even though i love magic the player irrationally). but if it's taking full career into account, it's not close.

 

I have to disagree about Bird and Magic

They both made everyone around them better by getting them involved in the game

Are you old enough to have seen them in person?

At that time in the NBA there was a lull and Bird and Magic brought energy to entire NBA

 

Yes of course. LT stands for long time.

 

bird and magic did better in terms of letting more talented players shine alongside them, whereas lebron did better in terms of elevating sub-par players around him. i'd agree that lebron's game made it harder for stars to work next to him, and this continues all the way through the lebron/AD era--we could have been going to AD as a primary option the whole time, with lebron picking his spots. but we didn't. no way lebron's game/personality had nothing to do with that, and i think magic would have just fed his co-star.

all that said, lebron has more talent and equal hoop iq to either bird or magic.

why am i doing this? i said i wouldn't.

 

Lebron is just a way way better defender than both Magic and Bird. Even if you think Magic (my fav player of all time) or Bird was equivalent to Lebron offensively you just can't just ignore the other side of the court. Lebron for most of his career was a ludicrously gifted defender who could guard 1-5. Neither Bird nor Magic would ever be asked to stop a prime Derrick Rose for example. No matter how you slice defense (1v1, off ball defense, transition) Lebron was an elite defender

 

Sucks to be right.

 

No lift 3rd game in 4 nights got him. Should have used more as a screener for Reeves

 

It's not LeBron.Davis didn't get 30 points.
D-Lo,Max and Knecht is scoreless

 

he's in my top 20 for sure

 

did he take the blame for this loss?

 

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He had a bad game but I don't think this it - he had only 4th most FGA of any Laker this game (AD, AR, and Rui all put up more shots).
He also was the one to swing the ball to AR for that wide open 3 that would have tied the game!