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I'm not sure what the Gobert trade, has to do with a KAT/Randle trade tbh.

From a practical standpoint, Randle is owed 59M over the next two seasons, KAT is owed 220 over the next 4. I don't consider KAT to be the superior player, to tune of almost 26M more, per season..Hell no..I do not.

With Gobert and Naz Reid, up for player options next season, I don't think Min considered KAT worth that much cash either.

DiVincenzo is a solid role player, that started 63 games for the Knicks, and shoots 40% from 3. He's on a cheap contract for the next 3 seasons. Throw in a future FRP, IMO..Min won that trade hands down.

 

Comparison between the cost of Gobert vs cost of KAT.

Having put some more thought on it and listening to some opinions, it was clearly a financial move. They didn't want to pay KAT all that, which can be understandable. But I think basketball wise they lose considerably. In isolation, KAT is better than Randle in almost every metric. Better scorer, better creator, better passer, better shooter. Although I saw a post where Minny was 12pts worse per 100 possessions with KAT on the court. But I think that without him their offense will struggle and be even more dependent on Ant, who is not the best consistent decision-making player.
Gobert is also unplayable in the playoffs often, so they lose a solution they had for that, those KAT/Reid lineups looked nice.

Overall, if they didn't want to pay that money, they had to do it and received a good enough package. But I think it may open future problems for them and Ant definitely has the persona to ask out whenever he feels he's not competing for a title. I think this is a step back on their contention and actually brings closer the possibility of Ant being a goal for us after Bron.

Finally, I was never a fan of KAT and Gobert together, so maybe Randle fits better. On other hand, KAT and Gobert was the best solution in the West to beat Denver, so they may struggle if they find Denver again

Let's see how it plays out.

 

I agree. Minny became much worse unless Ant can leap another level this season(becoming a consistent go-to guy every night).
Can KAT’s body hold up to the minutes Thibbs will demand of it?
I’m claiming “no,” but I do applaud the NY FO for going for it.
I also question Randle’s fit next to the over hyped Gobert, but understand why he was moved.
I will continue to root for Randle(for obvious reasons) and for NY in the playoffs.

 

I don't think that Naz Reid and Keita Bates-Diop could replace KAT for 82 games. .Naz would be somewhat similar to Montrezl with better 3 point shot but ,no way Minnesota is better after this trade

 

don't think there's a worse shooting frontcourt in the entire league than gobert/randle/mcdaniels

 

One thing I forgot about Minny is that they have Naz Reid who plays like KAT at a cheaper price. Maybe adding bruiser Randle may be effective when they brick shots.

 

Can Lakers get him .He still can play around 20-25 minutes and he's not old.
The New York Knicks have waived Marcus Morris Sr. and Chuma Okeke, team says.
In 37 games for Sixers Marcus averaged 6.7 points in 17.2 minutes on the floor and at 40% on 3 point shots
In 12 games for Cav's he averaged 5.8 points in 15 minutes and 41.4 % on 3 points shots

 

Do it Rob!

Injuries are an issue but for $14m on a deal that's less the following year (12.9), sign me up.

 

Disagree with conviction. He played 31 games two times in the last 4 years, one being last year. 59 the year before. What can make us fail is exactly injuries, Vando, Gabe, AD or Bron are all injury concerns that if not available, we're in trouble. Adding to that solves nothing, imo.

We would have to give up Gabe or Vando too, and I prefer both, I think we need more a POA defender and a perimeter defender than another big, putting health aside. Solves nothing to have another big and no one to throw at Murray, Ant, Shai, Luka and Irving, Tatum and Brown. Literally our path to a title is against teams with their stars in the perimeter (except Jokic but Murray kills us too and you can't stop the former), so I really think it's a bad move.

We need a center with JHS and vet min contracts. Maybe Max, depending on the deal. I thought last season showed clearly how much Vando and Gabe (not them particularly but their roles) are missed in our roster

 

That and maybe a 2nd is all I'd be willing to give up because of those injuries.

Any option out there in the $10-$15m range that will be gettable will have warts. Whether it's injuries (Mitchell) or they are only offensive players (Valanciunas).

I'm in the beggars can't be choosers boat if you're not sinking a lot of assets into the acquisition.

 

yeah, hard pass on mitch rob. guy just can't stay healthy

hartenstein would've been a nice add though

 

But JHS' salary is only below 4 million. Him and a vet min is a bit below 7 million. So Mitch is not possible under that package

 

In December, can't recall the exact date, you can stack the minimum salaries and those that signed deals will be eligible to be moved (Valanciunas). So that's when I'm looking to make a move and why I said a page ago "December can't come soon enough"

 

Yeah, Dec 15th. There's a possibility but even adding a 3rd vet min is still slightly below 10 million and we can't take more money in a trade. It also means the other team has 2 roster spots available which never happens. Alternatively, said team can waive our vet mins (or their own players) after the trade but that means they are not getting much as a return (they still eat that salary after waiving). So, unless some team is super high on JHS or one of the vet mins, it's really hard to see that happen without throwing Max or one of the upper salary guys. Unless we are sending a FRP which I think is bad business for these players.
I think our most realistic options (with JHS and vet mins) within that 7mil below threshold are Nick Richards, Day'Ron Sharpe, Isaiah Jackson (if Pacers don't want to pay him, which I think they do, and as a 1 year rental for us) or Wiseman and Powell (who looked washed).

Then above and likely demanding Max/Gabe/Vando we have Valanciunas, Landale, Bitadze, Kleber, Mo Wagner, Boucher, Carter Jr, Adams or Stewart. Most are not worth our package, unless we got a 2nd player that can be close to replicate what we are sending out, which is unlikely.

 

But we have had the best training staff over the recent years, so we would be okay!

 

PHILIPPINES LAKERS

 

So very cool ^^^ to have had our own @KareemtheGreat33 and @sirronstuff organizing all that for the P&G

 

Russ takes a shot at the Lakers
https://x.com/DNVR_Nuggets/status/1...s-an-apparent-shot-at-the-lakers/75439881007/

 

That has to be the Clips - he hasn't been a Laker for 2 years and it wasn't the Lakers who let him go so he could be with the Nuggets

 

No it’s us