D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

Discussion in 'Lakers Discussion' started by The Original 81, Jun 25, 2015.

  1. FrontOfJersey22

    FrontOfJersey22 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2021
    Messages:
    5,326
    Likes Received:
    9,109
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    :Kobepuking:
     
    sirronstuff likes this.
  2. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,342
    Likes Received:
    76,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    this is all fair. he's not a superstar and has flaws. they aren't going away. he's still not our primary problem and is likely better than any realistic potential replacement. adding a bunch of assets to him to upgrade at pg probably won't be worth it. we did the right thing by investing in a different kind of back up pg to deploy in different matchups, then he died. we also invested in a forward that is quick enough to guard top perimeter guys, and he also basically missed the entire season.

    i'm actually right where i was in the season after the title defense: i honestly think we could bring back the exact same team next year and win 10 more games than we did this year. we had some bad breaks and some bad coaching.

    if dlo walks because ham is here, we'll be dead in the water, though. like, "maybe we blow it up" dead.
     
  3. Pioneer10

    Pioneer10 - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2019
    Messages:
    5,056
    Likes Received:
    13,740
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    This makes perfect sense: the problem for the Lakers and this is not Ham's fault is that Dlo would still be a good offensive player even in these matchups as he is a very good off ball shooter - he's won game as the catch and shoot guy just this past month. But then he can't play good defense so that make it impossible to keep on the floor.

    Not having Schroeder or Caruso for these matchup along with a lack of a bruiser is the fatal flaws of this roster. (but again I can't emphasize this enough with Cam or Vando this team looks completely different - two big POA defenders basically allows these other guys to shine but we just haven't fixed it. It's similar to a football team with stars at the skill position but looks like s*** when the offensive line gets hurt: i.e. mahomes against TB in the SB)
     
    LTLakerFan likes this.
  4. 432J

    432J - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    6,897
    Likes Received:
    15,265
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
  5. Wino

    Wino - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2017
    Messages:
    3,192
    Likes Received:
    6,951
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    La Jolla
    Offline
    Of course the problem is we are doing an awful lot of flushing and moving on lately.
     
    Juronimo and LTLakerFan like this.
  6. LTLakerFan

    LTLakerFan - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    36,594
    Likes Received:
    60,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    So Cal
    Online
    I have to say, as much as I’ve been enjoying his play and demeanor on the court with the team and am rooting for him to perform up to his expectations and talk, that I’m with Slick on this and pissed that he had to say something about Ham, again and to national media, now when we’re fighting for our season. Bad move and selfish. Probably what prompted Ham’s let’s talk pow wow today.
     
  7. 432J

    432J - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    6,897
    Likes Received:
    15,265
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    yeah, there was no reason to make those comments. at least not right now. we all know ham sucks, but wait until the offseason for that s***

    and not sure why he felt like taking a shot at DS either, considering he outplayed dlo for most of the playoffs last year
     
    Pioneer10 likes this.
  8. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,342
    Likes Received:
    76,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    What was the shot? Stating that schroder had a longer leash/was favored? He did/was. By fans, too!
     
    FrontOfJersey22 likes this.
  9. 432J

    432J - Lakers All Star -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    6,897
    Likes Received:
    15,265
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    he said "i'm here and he's not, so i like our chances"
     
    abeer3 likes this.
  10. Slick2021

    Slick2021 - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    8,743
    Likes Received:
    7,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Preemptive strike against Gabe coming back? Reportedly Ham told Vincent, that he had a legit shot at starting, when we signed him.
     
    abeer3 likes this.
  11. VladeD714

    VladeD714 - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2023
    Messages:
    657
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Offline
    If you're going to make those statements, you better back it up.

    Outside of the Sac game, he has good since January, but that was the game we need him to be on his A game, and he **** the bed. In fairness, the other stars did, too.

    We're probably finish 9th or 10th and be out in the first or second round. He'll probably be gone in the summer. Ham isn't going anywhere, IMO.
     
    ElginTheGreat and abeer3 like this.
  12. wallangong

    wallangong - Lakers 6th Man -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,627
    Likes Received:
    4,914
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Online
    Why does the timing matter? It’s not like this team ever rallied around Ham. If anything they began to play better as numerous players started taking subtle shots at Ham in comments to the media.

    I see an entire team that doesn’t respect the coach for good reason and uniting around how bad he is probably brought them closer together.

    We’re almost 70 games into the season and Ham is still making cliche statements about effort and details, while taking ZERO accountability. I’m more concerned with the timing of literally anything he says.

    I will continue to welcome jabs at Ham from any and all players until he is fired.
     
  13. lakerjones

    lakerjones Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2014
    Messages:
    10,735
    Likes Received:
    31,940
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    La La land
    Offline
    It's premature at this point I think to guess on who's going to go if we don't get to the playoffs or we flameout early. Ham has done us no favors thus far this year, though. Ultimately, the coach is going to be under the biggest scrutiny for an underperforming team, and that's what we have. Lakers fans and players are not happy with Ham.

    Once again, I'd rather keep Dlo than Ham. He may not be the very best player we could have at PG but he's a very good complementary player to Lebron and AD and a close buddy to Reaves. He has some incredible skills that really fit with those guys: stellar three point shooting, strong playmaking, clutch play down the stretch, and low turnovers. He's got a lot of confidence which is great, we've seen a lot of players come here and shrink under the big lights. But he also has his weaknesses: defense, inconsistency in the playoffs.

    To me, I think it is going to cost way too much to try and upgrade from him and I don't want to lose him for nothing which is a real possibility with this coach. Right now he's a good value and since we have his Bird's rights I think we could keep it that way. But as ever, let's see how the rest of the season goes.
     
    JSM and abeer3 like this.
  14. Slick2021

    Slick2021 - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    8,743
    Likes Received:
    7,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    The thing is..outside of Lebron and AD..what has any of these guys ever done before last season? Nothing

    The most playoffs success, any of these other guys have had, came under Ham. Hell..AD had only been to the Conference Finals once, the chip season.

    So I question, what makes them think, that they have a better idea, of how to get the job done? The Hubris of youth, I guess.

    You want to see lack of respect for the HC? See Vogel's 10-31 finish his last season here. That's quitting on a coach, those guys threw in the towel and didn't give AF about competing anymore.

    The vibe with some of these young guys, seems to be in synch, with some of our fanbase to me.

    "We had a great run!" "We got to the Conference Finals!" Yeah..and we got swept too.

    A dose of reality needs to be injected here IMO. This ain't last season, the team isn't the same, the competition is better.

    Vanderbilt, Walker and Shroeder, all had their moments during that playoffs run too. 2 aren't here anymore, and Vanderbilt has missed most of this campaign.

    Well.. they have this magical 5 from last season starting now. Overall the team has been playing well for the last two months. That being said, the hardest part is still ahead of them. These other teams don't give a s*** about our playoffs run last season. The saw us getting swept too, so these cats need to man up, talk less, and go out there and win some of these damn games.

    The HC ain't out there getting blown by routinely on D, missing open shots in crunch time, losing track of their man in rotations, failing to box out. No..that's on some of these dudes, doing all the "complaining" IMO.
     
  15. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Top Poster Of Month

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,342
    Likes Received:
    76,274
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    ok, thanks.

    i agree. if we lost dlo and kept schroder, we'd be worse. for sure.

    this annoyed me about ham as well. i remember the slight hint that the starting pg from the team that went to the wcf might have to fight for his job. ok...

    everyone talks about AD/jokic, but i'm waiting for lebron to outplay murray in our matchups with denver. he doesn't either. the team with AD/lebron is supposed to have at least 1 of the top 2 players in a series. and the dominos fall after that, too.


    yeah, we've done better after folks felt more comfortable taking shots at the lame duck. he's gone. and any replacement (now that doc's off the table) is likely to be an improvement.

    any dlo replacment, however, is likely not to be.
     
    LTLakerFan, VladeD714 and lakerjones like this.
  16. Slick2021

    Slick2021 - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2021
    Messages:
    8,743
    Likes Received:
    7,490
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Lol..now he had no idea, what was at stake, standings wise, against the Kings? I just don't understand, why, he's trying to draw all this attention, to himself right now.

    In our last 7 losses with D'Angelo starting.
    He's shooting 30% from the field, and 20% from 3, in the 2nd half.

    The media is going to turn on him quick if he doesn't perform. It's an unnecessary distraction.
     
  17. trodgers

    trodgers Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    12,159
    Likes Received:
    18,506
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Professor of Humanities
    Location:
    Orlando
    Offline
    The lakers are 0-5 when he doesn’t play.
     
  18. VladeD714

    VladeD714 - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2023
    Messages:
    657
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Offline
    Very talented player, but he's 27 and been on multiple teams.

    He's been solid this year for the most part. Haven't had much too complain about. Would rather put up with a Dave McMenamin article and a no-show at Sac than deal with Kyrie Irving for a whole season.

    That said, I do think he's gone this off-season as I mentioned. Lakers aren't going too cheap to fire Ham, and I don't think they want to go through another coach. IMO.

    But we will see.
     
    ElginTheGreat, abeer3 and trodgers like this.
  19. trodgers

    trodgers Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2014
    Messages:
    12,159
    Likes Received:
    18,506
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Professor of Humanities
    Location:
    Orlando
    Offline
    A win, a 20-pont double double, and tying a franchise record? Nice work.
     
  20. KareemtheGreat33

    KareemtheGreat33 - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    11,784
    Likes Received:
    23,916
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Brow-beater
    Location:
    Las Islas Filipinas
    Offline
    Nice to see DLo brings you back, TRod, from time to time, despite LeBron still being here:Magic2:
     

Share This Page