Head Coach Discussion: Canned Ham, Who Is Our New Coach?

He changes arguments depending on what works for his narrative lol
Last year he was beating the drum that Russ didn't work because LeBron and AD weren't healthy and that alone was all it takes to win games.
Guess what, they are healthy this year but Ham still gets a pass by Slick. It's hard to argue with that

 

I don't know what you are talking about. I gave Vogel credit, he won a chip here, he also deserved to get fired afterwards. Both things are true.

And I fully expect to knock Frankie off, in the playoffs this season, if we face Phoenix.

 

Two separate things. Obviously two players, don't make up a 5 man team. And I still think we could have won with Westbrook, with a healthy Lebron and AD.

I still think we will win with Ham, with a healthy Lebron and AD, the season isn't over.

Is THAT clear enough for you? I don't back off of anything I posted bud. Beware of taking premature victory laps, we finished in the playin last season, and got to the Conference Finals.

 

Fire this idiot

 

The thing that just ruins me about Ham is he saw what we saw during our playoff run last year and STILL opted NOT to use it this year. I understand playing around with rotations A LITTLE, maybe the first month of the season but literally ASAP he should have resorted to last years playoff rotation just to see what it could do. That took him ~ 50 games. That alone is reason to dismiss. F it, I am a very hard core fan in terms of NOT rocking the boat. Heck, I was probably one of the last fans to call for Mitch and Jimmy's heads during that period leading to them being fired. I don't think teams usually benefit from all this FO disharmony.

At this point, and I mean, right now, I would support firing him and looking to replace him ASAP. We are probably not winning anything this year with Ham being our head coach. So, start a process with the next coach and give him an extra half year to get it together. This would give the new guy a solid off season to assess our squad and be able to have input into any signings we look to make in the future.

 

This org is cheap when it comes to coaching and they always make the wrong choice…either by hiring the wrong guys Brown, Pringles, Ham or firing/not hiring the competent coaches Vogel, Snyder, Lue

 

a bit of me still thinks snyder would have been good here and still could be. wonder if atlanta will fire him, maybe we can hire him as an assistant with the wink/wink that he'll get his shot at HC if/when ham hams more.

 

Who would you replace him with?

That the big question

I'd Handy ready to take the reins?

 

I don't really know, but Handy would likely be an interim guy and then it may ruin it for him staying in his current role.

 

The games will show what's what. I don't think seeding matters at all, there are no easy matchups in the 1st rd period.

For reference..last season we were 6 games under 500 at the trade deadline. We finished the season 18-8.

Presently we are 4 games over 500, and
1-0 since the trade deadline. A 17-8 finish would be pretty impressive, considering that the West is stronger, and supposedly, Ham forgot how to coach.

We shall see...

 

This isn't last season. You can't compare the two. We've been ripping off wins and haven't moved up any. West is SO much better this year.

For comparison: the 31-23 Kings are 8th. They were 32-25 this time last year, which was good enough for 3rd.

That's why you don't f*** around like Ham for half the season.

 

Doesn't mean anything..we have plenty of games against teams ahead of us in the standings. All we have to do is win games period.
I don't think Vincent missing the season, and Vanderbilt missing most of it too, is f***ing around at all.

You cats have to make up your mind, if the roster wasn't the issue, but it was the rotations, then we shouldn't have any problems winning games moving forward.

2 of the top 4 seeds in the West, probably won't get out of the 1st rd this season.

 

It's not just about winning, it's about making up ground. We're not in a good position to do that.

5 of the top 8 teams are 7-3 in their last 10. No one is slumping. Right on our heels are the Warriors who are 8-2 in their past 10.

Remaining strength of schedule, Suns are the one Western contending team with a more difficult close than us. GS, OKC, Dallas, Denver and Minny have the easiest remaining schedule for ANY western conference teams (Mem is also in that group but they don't count). Where are we making up ground?

 

There is no garuntee that those teams, will keep winning at that clip either. What ground are you concerned about exactly?

We are 4 games in the loss column, behind Phoenix, and New Orleans. We are 3 behind Dallas and Sacramento. We can still win a tie breaker with the Suns and Pelicans, we have 1 game left against both. We have 3 games left against Sacramento, we can win that tiebreaker too.

There is a lot of ball still left to be played, all we have to do is win some games.

What's your angle here anyway? You don't think we are going to make the playin? If we don't get to 5th or 6th, we are losing in the 1st round? What?

 

my angle is that we lost enough winnable games early in the season to have us facing a winner take-all game against steph curry or missing the playoffs entirely. that's for the pleasure of getting to play against dallas (luka), NO, or sac (who seems to have our number), to finish 8th. making up 4 games in 25 isn't that easy. if we go 17-8 (which we haven't for any stretch all year), that means the teams ahead of us have to go 13-12--worse than their overall record by a decent percentage (and, as jsm noted, against their current upward trend). this is why you don't lose to butler-less miami at home in december or whatever. so you're not in this situation.

if ham had just played guys who were familiar with each other in a familiar system, we probably have 4-5 more wins right now and just have to slightly outplay the competition to get the 5 seed. i think all the players also know this and have been basically saying it to the press at every opportunity.

 

I'm dealing in facts and stats and you're dealing in ifs, maybes, hopes and dreams. I know facts are your kryptonite, but sometimes you gotta face them.

There's no guarantee we'll keep winning either.

We couldn't make up ground with a healthy Bron and AD and now Bron is out any apparently not healthy. It's only going to make this trek more challenging.

We have 15 games left against Western teams (11 vs East including multiple vs the Bucks and Pacers and a game against the 6ers), that's not a lot of games or a lot of time to make this magical run. We need to nearly win out in those WC games to make up that ground. What's more likely one team not doing something or three teams not doing something?

My angle is the path is too difficult against a West that's too good as a collective. The accumulative toll on the climb is too much to overcome. A lot broke our way last year, it's foolish to expect that to repeat itself. I think we have to get 6th and be healthy to even have a real shot. We can win a play in, maybe win against a Wolves or OKC team, but i don't think there's a realistic path unless we make up real ground. I like us in any single series except Denver and I think against a healthy Clipps goes 7 and is a coin toss. But this isn't about one series. It's about having to go full tilt for these 26 + playoffs again, while dragging exhausted players into series after series they're not favored in. There's a reason top seeds win more often than not, the path of least resistance.

 

We've got some bad losses early on and part of that is due to coaching. I suppose if I'm being fair here the West was always going to be tough and come down to a handful of games with seeding.

I think we should be around 5th or 6th right now but still see us making the playoffs. I'd honestly rather face the Wolves or Thunder than Nuggets or Clippers in the first round though so we could end up stumbling our way to a more favorable matchup.

Hate that we will likely be in the play in game again though.

 

Injuries and bad rotations have been a factor BUT the Lakers still remain an overconfident and not very serious team , making the WCF last season after having to go through the play-in wasn't going to help in this area .

Lebron probably sees winning 2 play-in games as a new challenge and we all know his history with the GSW .

 

Agreed completely.

 

So...cutting through all that blabber...

We can win a playin game, and then knock off Minnesota or OKC, and we can go 7 against the Clippers, but probably won't beat Denver. In your expert opinion

But at the same time, you don’t think we will make the playin? The schedule is too difficult? We need to al least make it to 6th, so we get to face Denver in the 1st rd? The team you don't think we can beat?

FOH. I expect to make the playin at least, being at worst 7th, and to get back to the WCF. Flippers and Nuggets will be a challenge, I concur with that part.

We will find out shortly which of us was more "right" soon enough.