Jalen Hood-Schifino Discussion: Not The Cam Whitmore Thread ;-)

Good line tonight.

26 points
6 assists
7 rebounds
9/19 FGs
2/6 3pt

 

Heresy .... he sucks and will suck in Taiwan too.

 

He'll be gone this summer

 

Give him time. The Chicken in LA is great, and he'll come around.

 

Give me one game like this, then. Only one

This on the other hand is a regular occurrence

 

advanced stats on such low numbers of games are noisy, but jhs in the g league looks something like whitmore in the g league, tbh. pg is a harder position to pick up at the pro level, whereas wing gunner is most certainly the easiest.

 

bingo. i don't like him getting any minutes with the big squad right now. he hasn't been put in good positions, and he's learning nothing. it's not like we practice a lot where he's getting reps against lebron, etc. we just randomly chuck him into garbage time or play him at sg in the second quarter against a pack-it-in zone.

just let him develop in the place that was built for exactly that.

 

Yeah, I don't think he's a bum but I really question the pick based on where we're at as a franchise. He needs time, that's fine. So did Austin and moreso Max. We're trying to win now, we used one of the better picks we've had in awhile on a project. Then mishandled his usage in every way possible...thanks Darv. THEN we show our level of commitment by trying to attach him to Gabe's corpse at the deadline and to every other package iteration we were shopping (DLO + 1st). Not only did we try to dump him but teams were like nah we're good.

 

whitmore and jacquez wouldn't be playing for us, either, imo. maybe podziemski could have found minutes after gabe got hurt, but as you mentioned, ham's still here.

i'm convinced we tried like hell to trade the pick because all of our targets were gone. nobody wanted it--the only trades in this range were the two guys we probably wanted (wallace and lively) for each other, so it's not like folks were looking to get into this range (even to get future hall of famer cam whitmore as he dropped!).

jhs was just the guy we felt best about, all-around. there's no guarantee we were wrong yet, either. early returns just suck. but when he's gotten burn in the g league, he doesn't look like a bum (see above).

 

Whitmore wasn't even on our board due to injuries. Time will tell on that one. Although, I don't trust anything Lakers that's medically related. Who does our med evals on prospects? Hopefully they're better at that than managing injuries on our actual roster. The other two prospects should should have been on our board, just for the sheer fact of their NBA ready game. Lower ceiling, sure, but who cares if in three years they're essentially who they are today. We're trying to win NOW. Our window is nailed shut in 3 years anyway, that doesn't bother me. Both are top 10 rookies this year, both are impact players on playoff teams...or teams with playoff aspirations. I don't entirely agree with they wouldn't have played and that's because of injuries. Ham's hand would've been forced a bit and his eureka discovery moment with Austin half way through the season, they would've found a role. We've had more injuries than any non tanking team and even those we're giving a run for their money and nearly all the injuries have been to role players at the guard and forward positions since the start of the season...I think the opportunity was there even if it took Ham 3 weeks longer than anyone else to realize it.

There is no way we'll ever know the answer to these questions, but man I'd love to know A)what was the ask to move up to Lively or Wallace and how far off were we. B) What's the best return we could've gotten for the pick whether it's trading down, trading out of this year's first round, or to get a vet in the process. Basically a cost analysis of getting a vet then vs. at the deadline OR how much more would we needed to cough up to get a Lively/Wallace and how would that have compared to what we were ready to cough up last week.

 

disagree on the first part. jacquez isn't reaves, nor is podziemski, imo. and we're second-guessing the guys that found reaves when everyone else missed on him. not sure how our med guys underestimating injuries should make us feel better about them being conservative on whitmore. again, folks: like 18 teams passed on him when it was clear he was the third or fourth most talented guy in the pool. this can't be founded on absolutely nothing. that's absurd. again, i STILL wanted to take him at 17 when he was there, but to act like i know something that many accomplished nba gms and scouting teams who had eyes on this guy in particular for many months...nope.

as far as win-now--if you have the 17th pick, the only "win-now" move is trading it. you cannot reasonably expect a 17th pick to be part of a winning rotation at that level. it basically never happens. the three guys we're talking about are bench players on teams as bad or worse than ours and play largely due to injuries to other players.

second part i agree we won't know. if someone comes out and says we wanted to move the pick, it won't be until after we know jhs is a full bust, and then it looks like covering one's a**.

i just felt like the vibes heading into that draft were: there are guys we hope fall, but we'd rather move this for a rotation player or future pick. problem with the former is that it probably wasn't available (last time we had a pick near here, we moved it for dennis), and with the latter was that the pick was too high to feel good about a future pick. the only offers will be like, boston's or denver's first rounder next year or something else totally useless.

 

OK where's @KareemtheGreat33 ? Finally got his wish that he "thought" couldn't happen ..... JHS in the game last 2 minutes, gets a dish from Dinwiddie in the key and rises up with a THUNDER JAM!! BOOM!! ESPN Top 10 worthy!!





Wait ..... what's that? Oh. Right ..... never mind. What the f*** was that? ... two hands and barely got it over the rim to bounce around before it fell in.

 

Whitmore would have broken the backboard with the runway Spinwiddie setup there

 

@abeer3 I love your enthusiasm but im sorry the lakers absolutely WHIFFED on this pick.

JHS is a bum and will be a bum fo rthe foreseeable future. He will not be in the NBA in a few years

We should have taken whitmore, and as the season has gone on...we def shoudl have taken Jaquez or Podz. Whitmore was a no brainer given he was a sure fire top 7 pick on everybody's draft board. Lakers going for JHS is horrible on every level. Keep him in the G-League for as long as possible and just pray to GOD that he turns it around in a big way next year. Both Reaves and Christie were miles bettter than him in their 1st years and they showed that promise early on. he has shown NONE. It's a blown pick, period. A rare miss from the Lakers scouting dept. We should stick to picking in the 2nd round and undrafted cuz we SUCK at first round picks.

 

What are you talking about? Not during our tank/miss playoffs/lottery years!! They’re all over the league, just not here.

 

JHS caused fans tacos lmao by shooting too early in the last minute. Absolutely useless at this point with a PER of 0.5

 

Come on lighten up … no sense of humor today …unlike you. I even gave you a bone there to play with.

 

video clip, or it didn't happen