Jalen Hood-Schifino Discussion: Not The Cam Whitmore Thread ;-)

Tough crowd.

 

Honestly wouldn't care that much these mid late picks don't usually turn out even with a great scouting dept but man Whitmore was there for the talking.

Making me more critical than I probably should be

 

no hops, but the explosion is there. he gets by his guy well enough and bursts into open spots, but when he gets there, he just doesn't have the shot repertoire, so he looks for passes that aren't there or gets his stuff eaten. he can learn some of that, but it's not there now. again, podziemski did much better in all these ways. his passes are better because his shots are better.

eh, he's not expected to be these guys. at his draft position, you hope for a 20mpg backup pg. i think he can get there as soon as next year. not right now, though.

 

I agree on the expectations but more I think those are the guys he should emulate. Cade does a great job at creating space with size and ball handling to get shots that he wants. JHS is young so plenty of time for him to develop fortunately

 

yeah, i just don't see him as anything near those guys.

honestly, his offense didn't concern me as much as his defense tonight. he gave up several straight line drives to the rim in isolation and got back doored on inbounds plays at least twice. you can't do that and expect to play.

on the plus side, he looks like he'll be a very low TO guy once he gets used to the nba speed, and he whipped a couple nice cross-court passes off the dribble that looked like something a seasoned veteran would do.

i'd be curious to see footage from camp where he impressed the coaches and players. if it was just about his pace and control of the ball, i saw that in this game, but i'd hope it was more than that.

 

Oh I definitely get it.

 

Bad game. Not Reddish bad, but close.

The shot looked forced. The defense was all wrong.

Looked a lot better in summer league. I know the competition is night and day, but his approach was different. Maybe butterflies.

 

Hopefully it’s butterflies in the tummy, otherwise, it’s a dagger to the stomach disaster of a pick when the more athletic and better shooter Cam Whitmore was available

 

It was his first NBA game and against a top echelon team. Back off the ledge.

 

I actualy thought he looked exactly the same in summer league as last night...which is not good lol

He didn't play well in Summer League and he's making the same mistakes as the summer now.

I don't get why eveyrone was raving about him in practice...the guy looks very average tbh.

I'm a lot more excited about Max Christie than I am about JHS. I think JHS should be glued to the bench unless DLO or Vincent get injured and even then, I'd be looking for more Christie minutes with Reaves shifting to more PG-duties.

JHS needs a lot of work imo...or maybe he just had a bad game and it's preseason. But I'm NOT high on him as of now...I see why we picked him but I also will be looking at Cam Whitmore's production this season and always bcuz he was right there for the taking and we didn't take him

 

Unfair comparison though, Max was projected lottery pick in this year’s draft had he returned to Michigan State for his sophomore season.

JHS on the other hand was red flagged by some draft experts as fools gold, hopefully they are
wrong.

 

is this where the lack of burst stuff comes from? i really don't see that. i see him getting places he wants but he's not a leaper, so his options are limited once he gets a step. he'll have to learn how to compensate, because he's not going to suddenly become a dunker.

again, the thing that will get him on the court first will be if he becomes a bulldog defender. he's definitely not that now, but he's got some of the physical tools to do that.

as folks know, i wasn't super high on him coming out and really liked several guys drafted right after him (podziemski, whitmore, whitehead, clowney, murray), but i'm still holding out hope that our scouts' record continues.

 

I don't see the burst TBH: he's got good size and a handle to get to his spots but part of his issues is he doesn't create spots (Schroeder and Reaves last year beat guys so bad that the rotation guy just didn't have time to process/rotate).

I'm hoping his defense gets better - I think he has the tools (strength, size, enough lateral quickness) to be a lockdown defender. Smarter less athletically gifted Marcus Smart is not a bad comp for what I think he can become.

 

Dig a hole and bury him!!! Our Scouting Department suuuucks!
Look at how many terrible picks they’ve got completely wrong over the past ten years!

 

He is going to be a future all star, we should be starting him, along with Lewis and Max, it's all about the youth, did I say future all stars!?!?!?!



Believe nothing!

 

Geez .... it was just his first game. Alive or dead?

 

I'm just being a parrot, I am totally in the wait and see mode.

 

Yes .... from Kareem hyperventilating after one game and quoting one of the few reports that weren't a lot higher on him. This is how it starts here. Now see FOJ's post above.

 

There are just some people who have to be right about what the Lakers should be doing. There are some who are ALWAYS into the youth movement. It is the same s*** every year. Think about when we had all the youngsters. Sure they were pretty good and there were always some guys who felt we should have ridden them hard into the sunset of their careers who felt that those guys would eventually win us rings. Then there are other guys who think nothing but vets, that all rookies and sophomores should be used as trade bait. There are always people who have no appreciation of the journey and feel a need to see only perfection NOW. Make it happen or die!!!

I tend to watch for patterns of success, and then appreciate the journey. If you can see patterns for failure, then you make changes. It takes me a couple of years to finally call people out. I know at the beginning of Mitch and Jimmy's mistakes, I tried to understand their positions, but eventually there was a mound of evidence that they were making bad decisions and then I got down on them. I have seen people jump ALL over Jeannie and Rob, yet I have not seen any continuing evidence that their decision making is flawed. So, I am giving them a chance. Up to them to prove me wrong, I ain't worried about it.

Broken record, it is ALL about the journey. Nobody is going to win rings 3 times in a row or 6 out of 8 years, ever in our lifetime again. Rules don't support it. It is going to be about building a great team, paying them for awhile and then taking some downtime after key superstars retire and then rebuilding and trying again. Every major good team, is going to require a complete rebuild. You gotta get the big money off the books and past the repeater taxes, then you can start over. I like our direction right now, we don't have much more time, once Lebron retires, we will see how we do with AD leading the charge. We may get lucky and have a extra few years to compete, seems like are doing pretty good managing our payroll. Maybe we can lose Lebron and get another superstar to come join with AD, who knows??! Maybe AD will get injured again and call it quits at the end of this contract, who knows?!!? We will see. Frankly, I am happy to be competing for rings now and hopefully we get lucky and grab one more with Lebron. That would be a great journey.