Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

If he's actually hurt, that's one thing, if it was a planned sit out, that's another. I guess we'll see how he looks Friday, this could all just be a big overreaction. Can't knock the idea though, Memphis is in 2nd place, we play the best we have available against them and try to get the win. OKC had lost 4 in a row, and wouldn't have thier best player. Not a bad gamble at all IMO.

 

Man do I miss Kobe. The dude actually understood that most folks had one shot a seeing him play in their hometown and he didn’t want to let them down. This League is awash with over coddled, self centered, giant babies. Pathetic accountability and pathetic dedication to the the game and its fans.
I’m sorry, LeBron is actually hurt. Fine. He’s been played into the ground because of the initial awful roster construction.
If AD is hurt, then just sit his brittle a$$ down until he isn’t. Oh, that’s not possible because HE IS ALWAYS HURT? Correct.
Kobe would be ashamed of these softer than Charmin Clowns of today’s NBA.

 

IDk.. We kinda ran Kobe into the ground (with his consent) Kobe could have played until he was 40 too.

If it was a planned thing, I respect him playing against the better team TBH. Who knows how many games, Lebron overruled the medical staff and played anyway? Sometimes guys need to be protected against themselves.

 

I’m just frustrated and have had enough of this same old story three years in a row.
Have to tear it down this summer unless the FO is perfectly happy with their two stars spending half of each season in Street Clothes.
I like the additions at the trade deadline. Keep them and wait until the next big fish is available.

 

Oh I'm not mad at that take either. I'm just willing to give AD, a lil more grace this season. As long as he finishes it upright that is.

 

I wouldn’t be oppose to trade him for a Gobert like package. Obviously we won’t get it because Minny was cuckoo but near that return to get back what we lost in trading for him. Maybe a young player like Scotty Barnes and FVV, 3 unprotected 1st rd picks, 3 swaps

 

yeah, if there's one league where divisions don't matter at all it's the NBA. as long as you're not dealing him to the clippers, i couldn't care less where he ends up

 

Okay, I gotta cop to being part of what I now see as an over-reaction to the AD thing. Although I'm still ticked Ham SAID everyone's gonna play in BTBs, etc.

When I look at what was said, it was a load of load management. AD's "foot" needed to be "managed" and although he's not in "pain" they wanted to monitor it. He'll be back on Friday against the T-Wolves.

Ham can't say, "From here on out, everyone's playing, even in back-to-backs, because we're fighting to make the play-in...except AD. We might hold out AD in certain games. Like back-to-backs."

He can't say that, because the new era - which started with Popovich? - has "load management" for the superstars. Darvin would probably get fined if he said, "Our superstars need rest, so sorry of you paid a half-week's paycheck..." So what if you're Joe WorkingMan paying $400 for your only chance to see Superstar X play. It sucks, but it's Lebron's 2nd favorite phrase: It is what it is. (His first, and I wish I could give him a shock every time he says it so he'll stop is, "At the end of the day...")

Aye: a win is a great anesthetic for all this, too.

That said, we still have TWO more back-to-back situations. I caution all of us to not be surprised if AD's foot needs to be "monitored" for one game of both those 2-game sets.

Hey, at the end of the day, it is what it is.

 

Two possibilities :

- AD woke up in pain so the team decided to sit him

- It was planned and Lakers ( and others teams) are playing with the fans and tickets buyers

The 2nd possibility is a huge pb in the NBA , stars sitting games out should be announced before ...

 

i'd be opposed to a pick-heavy/talent-light package because we don't own our picks, and it's unlikely we get a bunch of fully unprotected picks that are likely to be high. and i know i'm in the minority on this, but if a pick isn't in the top 5 or so, i just don't think it has a ton of inherent value. the draft is a much bigger crapshoot than most people (including gms, it seems) believe. the reason i didn't want to move picks with russ is that i wanted to have them for trade due to their illusory value (one day, i think this bubble bursts). the reason i was happy about top-4 protecting the one is that it's highly unlikely you miss out on a generational talent (that you were definitely going to take) if you're outside that range. so that stash of picks the knicks are sitting on right now is pretty garbage if you ask me. which is why they haven't been able to get rid of it yet.

as for the second proposal, that's more than we gave up for AD when he was a top-5 player in his prime who only missed about 15 games a year. cut it in half, and that's what you're expecting. barnes (and every team's best young player, imo) would be held out of an AD trade. with toronto, you'd be looking at maybe anunoby or fvv, 2 unprotected 1sts, and a swap or something like that. this is part of why you don't sell low.

i think i named some realistic packages i'd consider the last time people were in a furor over AD missing time, and i'd still rather just roll through next year and reassess after that.

as jsm indicated, my thought has always been that AD and/or his salary might be part of the next trade we make for a disgruntled star. short of that, we might actually be better off just getting clean books. but again, no matter what, we really don't need to be sucking next year or the year after.

 

I don't want to trade Anthony, but I totally understand, people being frustrated with him and all these injuries. I said that this was going to be a huge, make or break season for him as a Laker, and for being considered a top 5 player in the NBA, over the summer. It hasn't exactly gone according to plan, or my expectations.

Ok..but he still has the rest of the season, and hopefully the playoffs, to present a fuller picture on the subject IMO. I'm still rooting for him, and frankly I'd rather trade Lebron, before I traded Anthony. Lebron is 38 years old, and will be making 53, and 57 million dollars moving forward.

It depends on how our season ends for me. However..if we fall short, I would consider moving D'Angelo and Beasley 1st, for someone else too, if they don't play well, before Lebron or AD.

 

I always come back to what kinds of injuries, and both these guys LeBron and AD typically have gotten injured from planted legs with heavy bodies falling into them, or sprained ankles and sometimes hard falls. LeBron more than AD now with some of the non contact stuff ... groin, whatever this latest thing is. But the common basketball injuries keeping them out, to me is just s****y luck with s*** happens injuries. Yeah AD too with the bone spur thing. But my god they give you a chance, even now to win it all, especially with a better roster around them. Certainly to go deep and have a chance. That wasn't happening with the "kids" nor will it when we go back to those types of seasons.

 

AD is trending backwards with his injuries, s***ty luck or s*** happens doesn't make his injuries any less of an issue, it will degrade his physical none the less

 

I do think this was part of it. See if we could pull off a bit of an upset win against the Grizz banking on us being good enough to beat the Thunder without him. I would still do it the other way around but I get the thought process a bit more now from this angle and the load management POV.

 

I’m sorry, but when your max player misses half, or close to half of the games played for THREE seasons in a row, luck has nothing to do with it.
I will continue to root for AD, but based on the overwhelming amount of future injury evidence, I would move him this summer.
As for LeBron, I would move him as well, but Jeanie will milk her cash cow until he is ready to leave or retire.

 

this is fair. and as LT said above, the bone spur thing is more concerning to me than landing on a dude's foot or something. AD's going to get hurt, though, and the more it happens, the more cumulative damage is done.

all that said, i'm still with LT. and it ends up being about whether you're more gains focused or loss focused in your fandom. i'm gains-focused. i want a team that if things break right can contend. others (that would trade AD and/or lebron) want a team that has a low probability of sucking. the only way you don't have to decide is if you have an iron man superstar, in which case you're always in contention and you'll never suck! we are not in that position, and trading AD or lebron or both will not get us into that position. so you pick one. i prefer high ceiling/low floor to high floor/low ceiling.

btw, while this sounds like someone who would be a proponent of a three star/vet mins team, that's not true in my case, either. two stars and several good role players is the formula, regardless, imo. we finally have it again; let's see how it looks next year.

 

it is strange, they keep making the defensive rules easier on the offense and yet guys keep getting injured more than ever.

 

The good news with our new roster is we are less dependent upon AD having to play, especially when we get D'lo back. I'm trying to adjust my thinking to him not playing so when he does it is a bonus. If he doesn't, oh well.

 

I figure just deal with Lebron and Davis until Lebron calls it quits, then decide on what to do going into the future. These two guys, give us a punchers chance.

There are a lot of injuries going around and it isn't just the old guys. Ball brothers and Zion come to mind. A number of vets have seen extended time on the bench due to injuries. Durant and Curry are the two most obvious.

Now, I am not saying, the injuries are not a problem with Lebron and AD going forward, but at all these high prices, it is a huge problem with every top player. There are no guarantees and truth is, every top dog goes down for extended periods of time, eventually. That is what having every single player in the league doing their best to slow you down does to any player.

I don't see an answer, I think you have to load manage every single superstar. If you don't, you are not winning a ring and are probably just trying to sell hot dogs.