D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

Have you seen the video above? Not even half the plays were P&Rs. He can be effective in any type of offense.

If the Warriors winning was a fluke then the Clips losing was a fluke too. They choked like no other. P&Rs are ridiculously effective.

 

I agree that pick and roll is effective in the regular season. Using the pick and roll as the primary offensive set has failed just about every time in the playoffs. CP3 losing in the second round is not a fluke. It's happened what.... 5 times now. Stockton and Nash were better than CP3 at it and they were surrounded by HOF talent and still couldn't win a championship. When the play slows in the playoffs and the competition gets better the teams that rely on that as their primary set seem to lose a lot more than win.

I'm also not a fan of having your top assist guy also be you top scorer. Even as great as Magic was when he was both the primary scorer and ball handler we didn't win. Too much reliance on one person. Scott fashioned what CP3 is today. That scares me because I think he's one of the more overrated "stars" in the league.

 

Short answer on Stockton and Nash.

Stockton - MJ and the Bulls
Nash - Seven Seconds or Less with no defense

If CP3 were 6'5" and not 5'11" they'd have a dynasty. Size matters.

 

Pop, Carlisle, Rivers, and Kerr think so; although, their schemes are predicated on much more than pick in roll. Since teams are becoming better at guarding the initial pick in roll which is what Bonk is referring too, we would have the ability to have two separate initiators (Clarkson, Russell) so if the initial pick in roll is shut down you could be running another one or run your pick in roll/screen roll set with weakside action.

That's how Pop has improve the D'Antoni offense. It has more weak side action. Either way, it don't matter. We will have a big backcourt with Russell, Clarkson, Randle is 'appropriately' sized for the 4 position, and we'll get a dominant wing. We're going to be able to play any type of style and crush teams.

 

Well we don't see this the same. The playoffs are where individuals (size or not) don't carry teams unless they are named Kareem, Kobe or Michael. Teams with more than one trick and more than one dominant player so.

What SAS does with Parker is about the best offense I've seen that is dominated by a point guard. There is some P&R in there but it's far more diversified than any team led by CP3.

As for the Golden State fluke. Maybe the wrong choice of words but a healthy OKC or CLE and I'm not so sure they win. Teams that primary score from the outside historically have issues in the playoffs. I don't think the game changed with GS's win.

 

http://www.vantagesports.com/story/VWlL3y0AACsAA8lf/vantage-scouting-report-dangelo-Russell

Fantastic read. I wanted to post the story inside the thread, but I can't. Leaving for work. If anybody wants to, please do.

 

You say jump, I say how high? Click on ROFY's link, though, or at end of this for the embedded videos.

Vantage Scouting Report: D’Angelo Russell
by Jordan M. FoleyPublished 06/08/2015 Pacific TimePhoto: Godofredo Vasquez/USA TODAY Sports
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Ohio State freshman D’Angelo Russell lands at number three in many mock drafts after Jahlil Okafor and Karl-Anthony Towns are off the board, but Russell is increasingly being referred to as the best prospect in the draft. Standing at 6’3” (6’5” with shoes) and with a wingspan that is a quarter inch short of 6’10”, Russell possesses an impressive array of physical tools as he heads to the next level.

PASSING: 10.77 ASSIST+ PER 100 CHANCES, 11.7 INDIRECT PASS RATE, 2.79 ASSIST+ TO TURNOVER RATIO, 1.90 DEFLECTED-PASS RATE

With massive hands (length: 8.75 inches, width: 9.75 inches), Russell’s best attribute is his ball control and passing vision. While his 5.0 assists per game and 30.1 percent assist rate are notable, his Vantage stats make those base numbers look even more impressive. Once you include passes to missed open shots, shooting fouls, and hockey assists, his numbers begin to pop off the page. Throughout the season, he has demonstrated an ability to place the basketball and lead his man in creative ways. Most notably, his jaw-dropping near-assist in a game against Iowa that was re-created successfully out of the same halfcourt set against Northwestern.


While passes like that are impressive, they can lead to overconfidence when attempting to thread the needle, resulting in Russell’s excessively high Unforced TO% of 63.8 along with a Passing TO% of 69.0. In addition, his Deflected-Pass Rate of 1.90 is a high rate, even among true point guard prospects tracked by Vantage.

Despite the tendency to pass into turnovers, D’Angelo more consistently displays his passing acumen in transition when he starts moving north-south instead of east-west. In these contexts, he displays an array of skillsets that are difficult to master for even the purest of point guards, including:

Placing the perfect amount of spin and arc on his touchdown passes.


Backhanded bounce passes while on the move.


Transition alley-oops.


Five-hole assists on defensive rotations.


The bottom line is that if you draft Russell for one single set of skills, it’s his ability to create for others.

SCORING: 1.42 POINTS PER SHOT, 27.4 OPEN+ FREQ., 39.1 CONTEST+ FG%, +11.6 DRIBBLE FACTOR

With a 30.2 percent usage rate, D’Angelo evolved into the leader of his Buckeye team. Russell was the leading freshman scorer in the country this season and holds the highest scoring total of any Buckeye freshman in program history, surpassing Michael Redd against VCU in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. He also held a 32-game double-digit scoring streak, shattering the 17-game streak set by Jared Sullinger in 2010-2011.

While Russell held an impressive scoring mark, he did so by hitting a lot of contested jump shots. He was open, guarded, or pressured on slightly over a quarter of his shot attempts, while 56.7 percent of all of his shots attempted were contested, which can be attributed to his shot selection. While it’s hard to describe his decision-making as consistently poor, some of his decisions to let the ball fly are questionable. In an NBA offense, you would think that coaches wouldn’t give him the green light he had at Ohio State on offense. When he is given the opportunity, D’Angelo pulls up for too many contested shots from midrange instead of driving at the rim.


On the perimeter, Russell also has a tendency to pull up from range in a trigger-happy fashion


D’Angelo’s ball skills, length, and solid shooting mechanics far outweigh his occasional poor shot selection. The skills he possesses are hard to teach, and what he lacks can be gained by experience in a professional system.

DEFENSE: 0.85 POINTS AGAINST PER SHOT, 32.7 OVERALL FG% AGAINST, 44.2 CONTEST+, 0.23 POINTS ALLOWED PER 100 SCREENS, 24.2 SWITCH%, 64.4 KEEP-IN-FRONT%

Russell leaves his opponents open 11.7 percent of the time overall, but in closeout situations, that number increases to 21.4 percent and their FG% rises to 39.3 percent.

Russell’s overall defensive numbers are promising, but adjusting to the speed and sophistication of NBA offenses is often the most difficult aspect of the transition from college to the pros. Ohio State employed a lot of 2-3 zone defense due to their overall roster composition, which should filter any interpretations of the above numbers. For instance, his extremely low 0.23 Points Allowed per 100 Screens likely speaks more to the function of a zone defense than it does his individual screen defense, as Russell has been known to inconsistently fight through them when the Buckeyes defend man-to-man. Russell can also let players he is certainly better than get by him due to poor body positioning and overanticipation.


Much like his offense, D’Angelo’s inconsistency defensively does not take away from the tools he possesses on that end of the floor. His length and anticipation help him keep his drivers in front of him and allows him to both contest shots and play passing lanes very well.


With his stock rising quickly, whoever ends up selecting Russell will be getting a player who can immediately step into an NBAoffense and provide support on the offensive end. He has the most work to do on the defensive end of the floor, but there is little doubt that the leadership skills and confidence he developed at Ohio State, in addition to his offensive freedom within the offense, will help him succeed in the NBA.

http://www.vantagesports.com/story/VWlL3y0AACsAA8lf/vantage-scouting-report-dangelo-Russell

 

Yeah I agree to disagree but its OK

We can talk if's/ but's and hypotheticals all we want but the fact remains that the Warriors won. And trust me, I don't like the small-ball P&R nonsense either. That's why I preferred Okafor over Russell. But we drafted Russell and we have to build around our personnel to start winning games. Whether that be P&R, triangle, princeton, I don't care. Why don't we worry about making the playoffs first before talking about systems that win titles.

 

We picked Russell because we felt like he was the best guy not to copy anyone else.

 

Exactly.

 

Russell's size is going to make him a beast in pick & rolls...I really cannot wait to see this guy play.

 

Ok, I seen this posted on another forum, but I'm stealing it. It's all public info that I would have found, but I'm too lazy.

Offense

The Good...

-58% True Shooting Percentage
-117.5 Offensive Rating (#1 amongst PGs in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession on off the dribble jumpers (2nd in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession in Transition (26.6% of offense)
-1.11 Points Per Possession on Spot-Up Jumpers
-0.95 Points Per Possession on off-ball screens (8.9% of offense)
-0.97 Points Per Possession as Pick & Roll Ball Handler (91st percentile, 23.8% of offense)
-1.07 Points Per Jumper
-Only player in NCAA to average 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts per pace-adjusted 40 minutes


The Bad...

-47% in the paint in the halfcourt
-32% on floaters
-5.4 FTA per pace-adjusted 40
-0.71 Points Per Possession when driving right

Offense

The Good...

-58% True Shooting Percentage
-117.5 Offensive Rating (#1 amongst PGs in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession on off the dribble jumpers (2nd in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession in Transition (26.6% of offense)
-1.11 Points Per Possession on Spot-Up Jumpers
-0.95 Points Per Possession on off-ball screens (8.9% of offense)
-0.97 Points Per Possession as Pick & Roll Ball Handler (91st percentile, 23.8% of offense)
-1.07 Points Per Jumper
-Only player in NCAA to average 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts per pace-adjusted 40 minutes

Offense

The Good...

-58% True Shooting Percentage
-117.5 Offensive Rating (#1 amongst PGs in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession on off the dribble jumpers (2nd in NCAA)
-1.04 Points Per Possession in Transition (26.6% of offense)
-1.11 Points Per Possession on Spot-Up Jumpers
-0.95 Points Per Possession on off-ball screens (8.9% of offense)
-0.97 Points Per Possession as Pick & Roll Ball Handler (91st percentile, 23.8% of offense)
-1.07 Points Per Jumper
-Only player in NCAA to average 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts per pace-adjusted 40 minutes


The Bad...

-47% in the paint in the halfcourt
-32% on floaters
-5.4 FTA per pace-adjusted 40
-0.71 Points Per Possession when driving right


^Layne Vashro's (Nylon Calculus) statistical model for projected 3-point shooting percentage.

Overall shooting rankings
1. Mario Hezonja
2. D'Angelo Russell
3. Frank Kaminsky
4. Corey Hawkins
5. Tyler Harvey
6. Pat Connaughton
7. Kristaps Porzingis
8. Devin Booker
9. Daniel Diez
10. Joseph Young

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ranking-the-2015-nba-draft-s-top-shooters-012046574.html

 

What number is Russell gonna where? Last and only Laker jersey I owned was a white Odom jersey that was 3 sizes too big lol.

I think I'm gonna snatch one up and represent in Vegas when I go for my bday August 6th. Is Summer League gonna be on at that time still?

 

Whoa!! Got some big shoes to fill there. As an athlete and when Jordan was balling at his absolute best leading the Bench Mob during our championships. I'm half serious here, though of course it might seem silly at first glance. NBA championships are NBA championships.

 

a taller, better shooting and finisher version of j.Kidd. D'angelo is sick possible transcendant player.

 

that pitty pat dribble crossover pull up Jumper is SURGICAL!

 

one nice thing about Russell compared to cp3/nash/Stockton/other pick and roll guards is that he seems pretty comfortable off the ball, too. allows the team to run some different sets without feeling like they're not using their biggest weapon.

curry's this way, too.

 

Seriously, we picked something special. I watched all the videos, read all the articles before the draft, and seeing his vibe in interviews I knew he was our guy. We have a pretty good history at drafting guards (hanging in the rafters) and somehow always manage to sign or trade for great big men (hanging in the rafters). So yeah, I feel so good about this.

I like Nick and all, but I kinda want him gone so D'Angelo can wear his preferred number 0. haha, I got it bad