Roy Hibbert had ONE great year under Vogel. He's also had an epic, total career meltdown under Vogel in 2013, a year in which he made the All Star team. Roy was a weird case, but everyone contnues to throw his name out there, in Frank's defense. He was OK for a hot minute, the guy never averaged double digit rebounds in any season of his entire career. He was a good shot blocker tho.
I don’t think I have seen anyone on this forum “throw his name out there” but ok. I don’t think Vogel can control whether a player is going to have a meltdown either.
Roy Hibbert is the only player that gets mentioned in defense of Vogel, not being a big man friendly coach. Again it's not his thing, he's a guard/forward centric guy. Different coaches have different philosophies, it's cool. However If I was a traditional big man, I wouldn't want to play in Vogel's system.
Dwight is a big man and he wanted to come back and play with Vogel even after he got benched for big periods in the bubble playoffs. For me that proves that traditional big men still want to play for Vogel.
I disagree, I think Vogel loves bigs and would play two bigs at all times if he had the right roster surrounding them or good enough bigs to do it. He liked his McGee and Dwight rotation, but in today's NBA certain bigs can't see minutes in the post season. That's not Vogel’s fault.
4 Idk..Javale probably played the least minutes of any "starter" in the League that year. He and Drummond both look better than they did here IMO. Still..it will be interesting to see who goes big this post season. I have a feeling that the bigs are going to make a comeback this playoff season.
this. and cookie's hibbert point. vogel clearly likes to play two bigs. hell, he punted the first games of some series in the bubble because he REALLY wanted to play two bigs even when it was obvious he shouldn't. if you mean he doesn't go to centers in the post (like, say, drummond wants), i'd agree. but almost every coach in the league would also agree. if your center isn't named embiid or jokic, featuring them as creators on offense is generally a bad idea.
i wonder how much drummond's injured toe played a role in him sucking with the lakers. i think he hurt it in his lakers debut still shouldn't have been handed the starting job by the FO
as fat and slow gasol was he was still a better option than drummond, who did nothing but clog the paint
No he wasn't, we should have just played Trez more IMO. Gasol was washed in Toronto. Still..it was at least interesting fodder for last season, Gasol/Drummond one guy that played all season and another one that played 25 games. SMH both only avg 20 min a game when they did play, so neither really killed the season. We should have kept Drummond though.
i think there's a decent chance gasol could clear the croissant crumbs from his chest, walk out on to an nba floor, and be more helpful in terms of winning games than drummond.
trez was unplayable in the playoffs because of how terrible he is defensively. so no, playing trez more was not an option. there was a reason he was on the bench
Maybe he should have been playing PF instead of C? The problem was scoring, the defense couldn't overcome the lack of scoring. Kcp, Kief, Caruso, Kuz couldn't buy a bucket in that series. Caruso 37% FG 29% 3PT, Kief 22% FG 25% 3PT, KUZ 29% FG 17% 3PT, KCP 38% FG 21% 3PT...Those guys were terrible on offense man...there is no way around that. You can't defend yourself to overcoming those type of numbers brother. Defense is not some blanket answer for everything in basketball, you must be able to score points too.
i also have questions about just how bad trez is defensively. why does it not show up in defensive metrics? this year is the first year in his career that he looked bad on defense, statistically. i'm a defense-first guy, but i'm not sure why trez was fully unplayable as a backup center.
