Lakers - Kings- Trade Very Unlikely; Both Teams Focused On Draft

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  1. Chillbongo

    Chillbongo - Lakers 6th Man -

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    Remember when we had Eddie Jones, Nick the Quick, Vlade Divac, and Elden Campbell? All Laker draft picks.

    How many of those guys were on the 3-peat team?
     
    Chillbongo, Jun 24, 2015
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    After the whole Dwight fiasco do you guys really think mitch didn't learn his lesson? Come on guys, first off Demarcus does not. .... I repeat does not want to play for karl, his camp wants him to play for the Lakers. Just the fact that an all star hitting his prime is asking out and wants to play for us, means that we have full leverage to aquire cousins without gutting our team. .... mitch smells blood. No one but us can offer him such a Draft pick
     
    OmarE, Jun 25, 2015
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  3. Weezy

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    To be fair though, only one of those guys was a lottery pick, so I don't think you can say it was a failure to not win with them. For where they were selected most of them had excellent careers. Vlade was picked 26th, Campbell 27th, Van Exel 34th, and Jones 10th. This is a bit of a different situation, with Randle being 7th, and Okafor or Russell being 2nd. Look back at picks we've had that high or higher and you have West taken 2nd, and Magic and Worthy taken 1st. I don't think it's that we CAN'T build through the draft, it's that we have been so consistently good we never have top picks. Then you look at our last highest with Bynum at 10, and he looked like he had a bright future ahead of him before the injuries. So just because our model has been what it is for so long, doesn't me it can't, or shouldn't change in this new NBA, and new CBA that makes the draft more important. Most of our success has been trading for talent, yes, but 3 of our best players and some of the best players in NBA history were our draft picks. 4 if you want to count Kobe.
     
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  4. SamsonMiodek

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    I completely don't get why the Lakers building a certain way in the past should affect their current decisions. Do you guys think they are not able to do it differently? As Weezy and others pointed out, we've had some success in the past in building through the draft. It would be difficult to do so on the on-going bais considering that this team has been so damn competitive most of the time and had next to no high picks.

    When did we ever have 3 of the top prospects from 2 consecutive drafts? The suggestion that Mitch would trade them for "proven" players just because this is "the Lakers' way", even if most of us agree this would not make much sense, is an insult to him and this organisation. They do mistakes, just like every other FO, but IMO, they do a lot less of them than most if not any other in the NBA. Lakers fans tend to be demanding and that's fine, but let's not act like we have a bunch of idiots running this franchise.
     
    SamsonMiodek, Jun 25, 2015
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  5. Kenzo

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    Russell/Clarkson/KD/Randle/Boogie. Let's go. (i can see Kobe coming back for that team).
     
    Kenzo, Jun 25, 2015
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    Sacramento sends Cousins to Minnesota.
    Sacramento sends #6 to Lakers.
    Lakers send #2 and Randall to Sacramento.
    Minnesota sends #1 pick to Lakers.

    Minnesota gets all-star Cousins for the #1 draft pick.
    Sacramento gets Okafor and a young power forward in Randall who was always projected as a lottery pick. They give up a bad fit with Cousins and the #6 pick.
    Lakers get Towns and the #6 pick, possibly Mudiay or a stretch 4 in Porzingis.

    A couple other minor peripheral pieces might have to be worked in.

    It's late and I'm punchy.
     
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    It's hard to even think about trading Okafor for cousins, but I'm not giving up randle... Unless we get Cousing by giving up randle,#27,#34,maybe young.
     
    SFGOLDRUSHER, Jun 25, 2015
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    If Mitch able to get Boogie for only the #2 pick and fillers, he would be decalred to greatest GM ever.

    It could happen. The Kings officialy lost Cousins, and getting Okafor is the greatest bandage for the situation.
     
    ShowTime_IR, Jun 25, 2015
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    How? We are helping them reload with #2 and their #6, while getting them rid of: contract, distraction, coach non-favorite. They
    come out made as bandits in this case.

    Yea, they could have gotten a little more for Boogie, but all things considering - they will look like geniuses in 6 month.

    Just out of spite I would not do it. Also, I hate Boogie.
     
    ZenMaster, Jun 25, 2015
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    I think this is covering two threads now, but imo, the supposed "laker way" isn't a thing. yes, they tend to get major trades (pau, kareem) and FA signings (shaq), but they also draft (kobe, worthy). they do it all. I agree with randlerofy's assertion that it's unlikely the lakers simply keep okafor/randle/Clarkson, grow together, and win long term. however, I think in the short term, it's the right play. as someone else mentioned, to get out from the bottom in the current cba, get some good cheap talent--almost necessarily in the draft. use space to get some good vets, then keep your best young talent and trade the rest for proven vets. boom, you're there. and this team could be there two years from now if a couple things break their way. first domino would be getting a piece or two in FA this year.
     
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    This is true. If OKC couldn't do it with KD, Russ and the Beard, neither will we. Have to mix it up a little ;).
     
    Kenzo, Jun 25, 2015
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    Nailed it.

    It seems awfully contradictory that..... We must run our team the "Lakers way" But get players that fit the "Modern game"

    How about we forget about supposed rules and trends, and do it the right way?
     
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    It is going to come down to who gives in. You have to give Mitch the benefit of the doubt at this point, as his trades usually do come out at least seeming fair. The 2, Randle, and Clarkson for Cousins is just awful, can't see Mitch getting screwed like that.
     
    JLaker17, Jun 25, 2015
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    Exactly. The big key I'm sure he recognizes is that we have all the leverage here. No need to ship every asset we have out for Cousins. Stay patient and if they still don't budge, move on knowing you have a promising, INEXPENSIVE young nucleus to build around with ample cap room.
     
    EJones06, Jun 25, 2015
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    No it has not been reported - but let's get real. If you draft Okafor and he (I won't say it) or you trade for Boogie (and he melts down) - your a** is grass.

    What's the best way to come out smelling like a rose in both situations? Do exactly what you are doing right now. Lakers are the best at PR. Mitch's job is not on 'on the line' but he is only as good as his PR.
     
    southbaylakers72, Jun 25, 2015
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  16. Savory Griddles

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    I laid in bed last night worried about the Lakers future...mostly because I couldn't sleep due to my dog crying. (Double Patella Luxation Surgery on Tuesday :cry:).

    Cousins scares me more and more, even in a straight up swap for #2.

    1. He can't seem to win. Even with Gay and Isaiah Thomas he couldn't crack 30 wins.
    2. He gives up if he doesn't like the way the game is going.
    3. He has hated every one of his coaches outside of Malone.

    Okafor

    1. Consensus "Best Player at his Age" since the 8th grade.
    2. He wins...everywhere. Each time he's moved up a level, he wins. It isn't a Shabazz Napier type of gritty winner. Okafor is dominant. To think he can't continue the trend is a less risky proposition than the risk of Cousins melting down.
    3. He is ours for pretty much 9 years if we want him. Cousins could (and might as mercurial as he is) bolt after 3 seasons.

    Bottom line is with Cousins we are likely at least a season away (if we somehow get Durant) and realistically probably 2-3. With Clarkson, Randle and Okafor we are...3-4 seasons away. With Cousins, we still probably don't make the playoffs since him, Kobe and Swaggy make up 45 million alone. We sign Wade and Rondo to a combined 20 million and then minimum guys to fill it out? That team probably makes the playoffs if everyone stays healthy enough to play 60 games each...which means they probably don't make the playoffs.

    I'd give up Clarkson, Black, #27 and 34 for him. But at this point, I don't give up Okafor or Randle in any trade. The unknown of Okafor and Randle isn't as risky as the unknown of Boogie's Brain.
     
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    I'll get real: I trust Mitch completely. Whoever he drafts, it's with a plan in place. If he trades the pick it's because the Lakers saw all of the potential guys there and weren't impressed enough to think they can carry the franchise.

    What's the best way to come out of this? With a roster that'll win games. No one is a bigger fan of Okafor here than me (except maybe LT) but I'll trust the FO if they want to go in another direction. Mitch isn't getting fired for picking either Okafor or Russell. He'll get fired if he picks the bust AND strikes out in FA AND gives us the same roster we had last year. That's not happening though, so I'm not worried about it.
     
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    This does make me wonder, does LT love Okafor or Randle more? Flashback: LT did offer to wash Randle's jock. I think this question is more interesting than the draft.
     
    Savory Griddles, Jun 25, 2015
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    I don't know that I've seen a more passionate fan either here at CL than LT and that's to be admired!
     
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    LT for president
     
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