Russell Westbrick Discussion: Clipper Gonna Clip

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  1. Slick2021

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    Caruso wasn't locking down Paul, Booker, or Payne and KCP wasn't shooting 40% from three against Phoenix.
     
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    I was very happy with how he played the game early on, but man... what happened there in the 4th? He seriously needs to get those turnovers under control somehow. Still, I'm OK with the effort for the most part, the lobs were nice and he did not overextend by shooting too many threes.
     
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    I am NOT ok with his effort on defense and camping under the basket for rebounds, instead of blocking out or getting long rebounds (which we lost quite a few).
     
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    His D has been poor. He has to step it up on that end. Last night he had some good moments though swarming on D. If he put that kind of effort in more often we would do a lot better.
     
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    This is the issue. He's actually playing pretty well overall. Especially on the drive & dish/lob or just attacking the basket.
    However, he should not be running the Offense in the 4th quarter.. We've already seen too many big leads slip away & Russ's shooting & turnovers are one of the main factors..
     
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    Yes, he should take the back seat to LeBron, except that he is just... not available.
     
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    When I read this thread, I have a hard time to believe anyone here could have expected anything beside what is unfolding.

    What you see is what you get. This is Russell Westbrook and this is the same guy we have seen for the last decade. An out of control low IQ player, who has supreme athleticism and uses it to dominate the stat sheet.

    Stop crying now. You should have cried back then when we passed on Buddy Hield for this bum.

    Some of his airballs or turnovers are legendary...never seen on this side of the fence (on the other side being his Airness Lonzo [Air]Ball).
     
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    Wonder if Vogel has the balls to sit Westbrook down the stretch of a close big game.
     
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    Yes but ideally he should be on the bench to finish games if/when LeIso/Lebron PnR rather have Melo/Ellington/THT/Reaves (even Monk and Ariza?) than Westbrook when trying to finish games.
     
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    Buddy Hield wasn't going to move the needle much. He can't defend anyone or pass, and frankly Melo seems to be doing what he was supposed to be bringing to the table on a vet minimum.
    Now Russ...I'll say this again...the dude is very erratic and schizophrenic early in the season. Yep...it's been the same thing for at least the last 4-5 years especially. IDK why that is, maybe he doesn't hoop enough in the off-season. However something else happens in these last 4-5 years too. Somewhere between Christmas and MLK day, a light bulb seems to go off in his head, and the dude turns into a monster. It's not all about dominating the stat sheets, he starts to dominate the games. I do know that he looked absolutely horrible at first in Washington, then after the new year, he turned them into a playoff contender. Any guy that can give you a 20-20-20 game has a lot more plusses going on then minuses.
    I'm not going to just blindly defend him, sometimes he just does stupid stuff, I agree. I say give him some time though, there is a reason he is considered an elite player. I wished we had a full squad and perhaps the negatives wouldn't be as glaring as they are sometimes. Still I'm sticking with the opinion that folks around here are going to love Russell Westbrook before this season is over. Warts and all.
     
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    He gives plenty of effort. He's also still an absolute athletic freak. That means his lack of defense is a lack of BBIQ. He's 32. He's past the point of the lightbulb going on. I don't think Westbrook's defense is getting any better.
     
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    If the pattern holds: it would one of the oddest things out there. It's not like he's a rookie or doesn't have a scouting report.

    Maybe he's just a unique player with extremes of both strengths and weaknesses that Westbrook, the players around him, and the coaches just have a much steeper learning curve. It would match the fact that in the last 5 years the team he's been on has either changed and/or having extreme roster turnover(OKC adding Georgo, going to Houston/capella trade, Washington trade). So every single season it's required a lot of retooling from both the Westbrook and the organization around him.

    The only concern with the second half resurgence theory again holds this year, he hasn't been good in the playoffs even when he's turned it on in the second half
     
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    don't you guys think when we are in the playoffs that Lebron will be directing traffic in the 4th quarters?
     
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    It depends on what good is defined as I guess. His career playoff avg of 25/7/8 don't suggest that he is anyway some kind of trash. Also I'm not sure which team he was on, that was supposed to be a title favorite either. I look at last season alone...he averaged more assists and rebounds than Kuz.KCP and Caruso combined and they only scored 4 more points a game as a trio. I thought he was subpar in the bubble, but then I found out that he played with a torn quad. For me the biggest difference is that he has never played with two teammates as good as Lebron and AD. That OKC team that lost to Miami included. Plus the fact that Lebron is always going to be the one in control down the stretch of any playoff game. I think we are definitely better with him than we were last season.
     
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    big issue so far is nobody guards him, so AD and lebron can't do much in the paint. not sure how that gets resolved.
     
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    This is true.
     
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    Meh...you can not guard a guy and he can still get 15 assists. They count too. Bron and AD are going to get theirs regardless, they didn't want this guy for no reason. All I can say is stay tuned....
     
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    Uhhhh, we aren’t the GM and did not collectively choose Russ.
     
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    i mean, there's lots of video evidence of his man standing in the paint to prevent easy buckets for lebron or AD, but ok...
     
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    He does not give plenty of effort on defense. That's the problem. It needs to improve or we aren't winning anything. He has to be held responsible like the rest of the team. Again, I saw some good moments last night. That's encouraging. But he needs to do more of that. Attack and be tenacious. Anyone can learn to become a better defender. Especially under the tutelage of a defensive minded coach like Vogel. Look at Melo.
     
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