When he makes a dumb play, he just looks so stupid. He stepped out of bounds in one play trying to squeeze by a defender like he's a professional ice skater or something. Dude, you're 6'11 270 lbs, why do you think you can dribble inches from the baseline in the first place? Another play, it's Booker defending him under the rim and instead of going up and yamming the ball into the rim, he reverse layups it. It's a combination of small hands, horrible development during his Detroit years, non-existent vertical, and Drummond just being a very low IQ ballplayer.
we should have signed dieng. or nobody, tbh. his addition brought problems we can't dig out from. and i think it damaged our rep with veteran FAs, which, short-term, is a big problem.
How many times did Booker waltz right into him and just shoot over the top of him. How demoralizing is that if your the perimeter defender you work your man into the help defense and the Penguin can't get any lift to actually contest the shot? Wouldn't happen with a true shot locker in there. Drummond stans I'm convinced are just folks who think box scores are what matters and don't actually see how plays develop both on offense and defense. Teams are just teeing off on the Lakers and by the time they get some to cath their breathes all the roleplayers are cooking on the other team
He made mistakes today. Defensive for sure - and a couple of offensive ones. And you know what's even worse? He was one of our better players out there. Outplayed AD in any case.
Damian Jones would actually be awesome. An actual shotblocker who can dunk off the PNR. Drummond is big but he can't get up and we can't even run the same plays that Phoenix runs for Ayton as the dude just can't get up that high or quick
This is what kills me when people say this. AD can't get going in large part because he's stuck with this big oaf who clogs the paint and the defense can sag off on. When Drummond is in the dunker spot hes not a good lob threat and not GS and Phoenix were able to completely neutralize his offensive rebounding by making sure one of the little guys boxes him out. He's just an awful fit for this team
Sure but he also finished some lobs and got to the foul line. Right now the Lakers have a Ferrari in neutral and then by the 4th quarter is the only time they start revving the engine.
Were we watching the same game, though? People hate +/- because they don't understand how it works. Drummond had a +/- of -4. AD had a +/- of -18. That means that when AD was on the floor without Drummond also being out there, AD was -14 worse. Drummond played 19 minutes while AD played 38 minutes. There's only so much you can blame Drummond when he isn't even supposed to be on the Lakers. Consider that the Lakers GETTING Drummond is because the Lakers needed another big. You can't blame Drummond for issues the Lakers already had before he joined. The Lakers simply royally screwed up letting Dwight/Javale go in a market where centers like those two are very difficult to replace. Once again, AD played 19 minutes without Drummond out there and was -14. That's on AD - not Drummond. Drummond is getting paid peanuts and was a replacement player. AD is supposed to be the franchise player earning max. Why blame Drummond when it's AD who is expected to be the one dominating?
Exactly. It's not Drummond's fault. People are just scapegoating him because they want to believe that he's the reason for AD's horrible play but newsflash: AD has been underperforming all season long even before Drummond got to the team. Blame the injuries, blame Drummond, but it's on AD to figure it out.
Drum played less than 20 minutes. What did AD do in the meantime? He missed jumpers and got punked by Ayton. Come on. You are way too critical of Drummond. Like, we all know he's not a great fit. That aside, he's not the reason for this kind of showing. Did he make AD play with no sense of urgency? Did he make KCP miss all those threes? What did he do to our young players, Kuz included? In the worst case, Drummond will play with energy, bang under the basket and get offensive rebounds. You don't like his fit and what he brings? Give him 10 minutes per game then. That's not on Andre. He can't suddenly play like Hakeem. You have to evaluate what he brings and use him accordingly. But none of that is on him, I don't understand how the guy who obviously tries gets so much blame.
He's the scapegoat for the Lakers problems. Before that, it was Marc. Lakers fans need to start blaming the players who are getting the big bucks... KCP, Kuz, AD, Schroder... they earn $80 million combined next season but we want to blame Drummond? Give me a break!
Exactly, Bang. I am never going to hate on a player who plays with some passion, plays hard and brings what he can every game. Some people want him to be what he is not. And when he doesn't jump high and doesn't rotate correctly every single time - it's his fault we lost the game. If we won the game, then it's "meh, who cares". Man, you don't insert Gasol in the game and expect 10 rebounds, and when he doesn't get them, you get mad. Or when Kuz does not hit 5 threes every time - it's not his game. If Drum got 2 rebounds, 0 offensive, I'd have something to say about it, but he plays his game, and it's up to the coach to use him to the best of his ability. Remember Mark Madsen? I liked the guy. He was undersized, didn't have much skill, but he played with joy and clearly loved the game. I never made fun of him for being bad, he did what he could. Which was, basically, 2/3/1 in 12 minutes. Not that I am comparing Drummond and Mardsen, but everyone has things they do well and things they don't... that's my point.
The problem with this line of thinking is that we have the season before Drummond and all of last year to compare it to. With Gasol in the lineup, this was one of the best starting lineups in the entire league. Since he's been in there and even after AD has gotten the rust off we haven't seen that instead it's a constant Lakers get in a big hole and let's have fun watching them dig out out of it.
And that's Drummond's fault? You did not address any of my points at all. If the lineup with Marc is so dominant, then you put Marc in and we hit our FTs, AD dominates, KCP drills 4 threes and we win big.
yep. lebron is ostensibly absent from the list, unsurprisingly. he didn't bring the goods today, either. makes more than anyone. you going to post about it?
Your points are essentially he does Andre Drummond things which is to try to get boards, fumble his way to some shots. Since he 9nly plays 20 mpg what's the big deal? The big deal is those 20 minutes are parts of the game where you have both LeBron and AD on the court and right now with two MVP caliber players on the court the lack of spacing and poor rotation are: 1) Instead of getting out to the lead consistently putting the Lakers in a hole where they have to dig out. 2) Creating a situation where the other teams roleplayers get confident for the rest of the game. 3) Makes it harder for AD to get untracked. Is this all on Drummond no but we've seen him play for slot longer then Drummond and we see what he can against teams like Suns. This game he got stuck with Drummond and then another huge chunk of non LeBron minutes were with no guy able to dribble penetrate. 4) We have plenty of evidence also that this is not just an isolated situation with either player. Drummond got let go literally by two straight teams because of the same problems and AD when at the 5 for an entire playoffs goes off
