That’s my feeling as well. No doubt we are better with Schroder than Green. No one is doubting that move by Rob. But going forward I’m not enamored with Schroder any longer. He wants too much and I’d rather keep AC and THT and reup Trez.
Trez has been everything we hoped he'd be. Dennis has been, meh. He wants "top 10 at his position" money. That's simply too much. I think he knows it, but my guess is his agent has told him to wait it out since he will be in a similar position to KCP this summer where we can't replace him so we may have to overpay. KCP is not worth what we gave him. But we sort of had to or we'd have no one to replace him.
I have some doubts on this. DS is really quick and people play to stop him. THT has a high ceiling but he is far from the ceiling. He still makes too many bone headed mistakes. I think THT is still another year or two from being the kind of player who could be a starting piece on a championship squad. Right now, I see him as a situational sub with high upside. Caruso will likely be a sub his whole career because he lacks a really good offensive game to merit time in a starting unit. DS is already capable of being a 20/7 guy and is extremely good at getting into the lane, drawing the defense and dishing it out to the open man, whether to shoot 3's or power the lane. I have had some questions about whether or not I think he is worth more than the 84 million he was offered but am willing to let the playoffs happen and decide afterwards. After all, that is what he is doing. He is betting on himself. I actually applaud him and admire him for that. He has to produce in the playoffs and he is banking on it. You gotta like the stones in that! Manly move on his end of things. Now, the other side of this, the pressure is on THT to prove that we NEED to look at him to move up the ladder. If he can actually put pressure on DS for playing time, then we will see where the chips fall. Good problems to have. We do have a pretty solid guard rotation if they are all playing their best.
I am one of those people here who really like what Dennis brings to the team. He's a very dynamic player, plays with a ton of energy, good scorer - good enough to take over games from time to time. He's one of the fastest guards in the league and is hard to stop. My only issue with him is that he is obviously asking for all-star money, and he's not an all-star caliber player. Just a good starter. I honestly don't know why he thinks he's worth more than $20M/year, but he's not. He should've taken the money, because at that point, you are a very, very rich man.
Like I said, I think he thinks he can always get the money the Lakers offered him, but if he waits, he might be able to squeeze a bit more out of us due to us not being able to replace his production due to our cap situation (ala KCP last Summer). Knicks are there as a backup in case the Lakers tell him to kick rocks.
I like Dennis a LOT and have said so many times. That speed is something both on offense and defense. The guy plays Hard physically. You have to wonder how many years he can sustain that with the beating at his size and weight his body takes.
I wish that he would’ve signed whatever extension we offered. But I think it ends up being in both party’s best interest that he didn’t. We will benefit from him wanting to bet on himself, as we will get better results now that he has a chip on his shoulder and is playing for a contract. For him, I think his gamble is paying off. I think he’s been playing great lately. Last 10 games is something like 18 points and 9 assists, 48% from the field, 37% from 3. I understand the distaste amongst fans from him having turned down the extension, but I can’t wrap my head around criticisms of his recent on-court performance. Even if his numbers drop off when we’re fully loaded, if he continues playing with the same edge and aggression (while more within control and less prone to turnovers) that he has lately, I think he does end up getting north of $20 million this off-season. And it most likely will be from us, and our fanbase will be happy to give it to him, because we will be retaining a key piece to another championship run.
That is a great point. Dennis just bounces off like the Tazmanian devil. At his age, not even a truck can stop him but in a couple of years, you have to wonder if that motor is still working.
First of all, props on his 4th Q dial up against the Magic. He did what he did in the 3rd against the Mavs. Difference being in that Mavs game he was nowhere to be found in the 4th. If he can only go ballistic for one quarter, saving it for the 4th is something he should've learned from Bron awhile ago and I guess we can thank JKidd for giving him obvious advice. What I wonder and worry about with his next team is what are they bringing him there to do? He's really picked up the assists and lowered the TOs as of late. That's impressive and can't take that away from him. But for the rest of the season and all of his career, he is not a primary facilitator. Not one good enough to start. His primary value in a healthy Lakers team is he can bring the ball up the floor and chase around some of the PGs. Most teams don't have a Bron, AD, and Marc who are all superior passers than DS. So if he's your creator, is he good enough to warrant $20m? He's a backup, 6th man of the year caliber spark who doesn't fit in a whole lot of systems or with roster construction to be that team's starting PG. Unfortunately for him and the next team, I think he's in for a rough go. The team will get an overpriced player, then fans and management will sour quickly. For what they're getting, unrealistic expectations of him will be attached to that price tag. Don't get me wrong, I don't regret the trade. We made out like bandits, getting him for Green. But there's not a scenario in which I entertain bringing him back near his ask.
I’m just hoping he delivers in the playoffs, we get that banner, and then if he walks he walks. If he decides to stay for a reasonable price and we can still keep THT and AC, I’m good with that too
yep, i'd love to extend him for 4 years at his current salary. that's his value, imo. whichever team exceeds it won't be happy in the long run, imo.
A team willing to pay him that money won't have LeBron and AD on their team so them being title contenders is very unlikely. Schroder will get paid by a team just looking to get into the playoffs and be a top 10ish team. If Schroder chooses that team over the Lakers, (we're talking what? $2-3 extra million per year?), then earning $10-15 million is more important to him than potentially 2-3 titles. If we get a title and he leaves, he'll always have my support just like Rondo, Dwight, and even Danny will. But I think there are more than enough options for the Lakers in the free agency. As long as we keep AD+Bron, there will always be an availability of players for us to sign.
Unfortunately, I don't. We're a contender and will be one of the two favorites as long as we have Bron and AD, so we'll be able to get someone. Issue is it's slim picking this off season (next summer looks really nice though)... -CP3, Conley, and Lowry. There will be pipe rumors, but they're not turning down money for MLE deals. Two of them are on damn good teams too. -Ball: restricted and no for 100 reasons. Plus NY and Chicago will be at the front of the line. -Dragic and Rose will be best available for us. I think Dragic is more likely to chase $. Rose, I think, could be convinced by Bron that adding a ring to that resume will carry legacy weight. As I said in another thread, Rose's injury history scares me a bit, so I'd like to bring on both Rose and Jeff Teague. That's a decent enough bandaid replacement depth to get us to the 2022 PG class. But that's the only play. If Rose doesn't want to leave Thibs, then you're relying on Kuz trade to get you that PG.
Reggie Jackson DeMar DeRozan Devonte Graham Evan Fournier Kendrick Nunn I mean, the Lakers don't exactly need a high tier PG nor do they have to be a PG. They just need someone capable of running the offense for 20-25 minutes at an above average level (15 minutes when Bron is resting and let's say 15-20 minutes playing with Bron). If they get lesser tier players such as Nunn or Reggie Jackson, they would have money to buff up the remaining roster spots and I'm sure there are some vets who would be willing to take a discount such as Lou Williams (assuming we need scoring off the bench). It's not like losing Schroder is the end-all, be-all. DeMar would probably be my #1 choice, honestly. He's shown himself to be an elite level playmaker and he's never been shy about his love for the Lakers. Reggie Jackson for a decent price would be a decent option as well since he's a pretty good shooter who doesn't turn the ball over often. Devonte Graham is being underutilized for the Hornets but he can shoot the ball and also create for others while also being a good ball handler. I don't think it's slim pickings because the Lakers do have options. Remember, we're technically not even supposed to have Schroder considering Danny Green's contract would be up this season so it would've been an open spot. I think the Lakers are prepared for whatever happens regardless of Schroder's decision.
-Reggie Jackson is a homeless man's Lou Will. -DD is going to be the best wing on the FA market. We lost any chance at getting him by not getting him via trade this past off season (assuming Pop would deal) before he showed range and an even more well rounded game. -Graham is a 26 year old shooter, he's getting 8 figures. -Fournier is not a PG in any scenario. Better off moving Pope to the spot. 2.6 APG career average. -Nunn is a 25 year old RFA and like Graham, will price way out of our budget. -Lou Will was ready to retire and then remembered he had to pay the strippers rent at Magic City. This is going to be a huge year over overspending. We're not getting discounts from any young players. Too many teams with money to burn. Knicks, SA, and OKC have the max slot. Dallas can get to $35m if they let Richardson walk. Hornets will be around $26m Grizz, Heat, and TOR can be around $25m each by letting some expected guys walk. Suns can get to $30m if CP3 decides to see just how many teams he can make playoff teams in consecutive years. NO and ATL will each have. $20m if Ball and Collins leave. Bulls can get to around there, too. Pistons will be sitting at $25m before their upcoming draft hold. 13 teams and only a handful worth going all in for. Leading to a lot of lower tier teams overpaying.
None of those teams you mentioned outside of the Knicks and Heat sound appealing. Lakers are still a prime destination which is why guys like Kieff, Wesley, and Trezz chose the Lakers. If we win the title again this year, I don't see why it isn't even more appealing considering Los Angeles will be an attractive location with COVID ending. 1) Reggie Jackson won't be getting much in free agency so it's not like we're gonna be overpaying him. He's a playmaker with a high AST/TO ratio. 2) You never know with DeRozan... His dad passed away and was a huge Lakers fan. Winning a ring with the Lakers might be something that outweighs the money. 3) Graham isn't a bad player. Yes, he's gonna get 8 figures. If the Lakers can get him for let's say $13-15 million per year, why not? His defense sucks but he rarely turns the ball over and can create for others. High volume shooter is what the Lakers need. 4) Lakers don't exclusively need a PG. Just players who can score and run the offense for some possessions. Obviously you would still need a PG with him there but Fournier is a good scorer. Lou Will off the bench would be a great pick-up regardless of the jokes coming his way. Good shooter, can get to the foul line, and can score the ball. He's got his deficiencies but worth considering at a discount. I mean, if your only reply is every player will get paid so the Lakers can't basically get anyone but Schroder, there's really no point in me naming players that the Lakers could potentially look at. Yes, teams have money and some of these players will want to get paid. But there are plenty of moves the Lakers can make so losing Schroder isn't some sort of deal-breaker. Rob probably drew up a list of 20 players he will consider the moment Schroder didn't want to sign an extension.
Wasn’t he out earlier same? Damn, hope he didn’t actually get it like Gasol did .... worst possible timing if so. Any word on AC yet and his back? Ugggh!! Cont .....
