Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

WAIT, you wanted us to spend all our cap basically on Vuc? So our top guys would be lebron, kuzma, AD, and Vuc? How tf would that work.

Not much else we could have done. I would have liked a guy like Ross/Lamb instead of KCP. Pg was a tough spot to fill in this summer if we weren't getting a star. Collison was ideal until he retired

 

What was I fine with 1yr contracts last summer? Cause Bron possibly gets a running mate this summer.

That AD trade doe...yeah how about those unlikely #1 and #4 picks doe. Y’all act like that didn’t help grease the wheels to AD. And if not AD, you can turn to free agency with the cap we had.

So why you up in arms about this summer when we landed AD? Cause you lost assets in getting AD and cap space could have gained some of it back.

But Green, Kcp, Boog, AvBrad and Cook doe...But those contracts doe.

Nearly all our contracts of worth have no-trade contracts to them. You can’t trade them if they refuse to move. Look at Green’s contract. He can bring in up to 19m by himself, but what team wants Green at that price? It seems only Dallas did. Also what teams actually want Green the player...seems like only title contenders missing that last piece do. But wait, we’re title competing too, so swapping Green would seem to be a lateral move for us. Dude’s salary can’t bring in a star by himself and dude’s guaranteed two year deal isn’t appealing to teams looking to get off salary.

So that’s our assets from the asset that was cap space. Can’t aggregate salary for a 3rd star without player consent and can’t trade Green by himself unless we’re interested in lateral transactions.

Y’all keep big upping the FO though that struck out on our plan As this summer and still have y’all to do it all over again in 2021, but not without another player’s consent...our star opting out of his deal.

Now yall have a nice day...and leave the pooch alone...it deserves a nice day too.

 

OK vash the GM with ultimate cap knowledge that Rob and the cap expert they brought in from San Antonio to help our suck a** front office didn't have or execute well. Put your wet dream of the 15 man roster here that they should have done instead, whenever you have time. To compete for rings this year and next year, within the window of time we had to sign ALL of the guys that our FO wanted for their contingency plan. That you won't simply give a chance to see if it is any good. And not knowing that Cousins was going to get hurt. How does your wet dream roster, how they really should have done it stack up against the roster they chose and executed upon once Clippersnake did what he did? With Cousins not getting hurt.

 

Hey, don't feed the animals!!

 

3 stars makes me wet and our FO was certainly dreaming of it themselves. Like I pointed out above, our contracts create real obstacles in getting a 3rd star now...no matter how disgruntled they may be. So our contingency was trash. We scrambled to sign whatever name was available in the market once Kawhi was off the board. If Dallas scoops up Green so be it...his contract can’t bring a 3rd star, so no sweat off my wet a**.

At a minimum (which is what the FO should have done), get Boog, McGee and any other short burst center to commit, cause that’s what I know my superstar free agent to be prefers.

Actually let’s circle back to him... if Griff wanted to flip the #4 pick and rush the deal, then at the very least we need AD coming in with a trade kicker to have the opportunity to lock him up in 6 months. We had the cap space to absorb it, so it wouldn’t have nixed the Kawhi pursuit or the trade by July 6th.

Lastly, a 3rd star decreases Bron’s usage/playmaking during the regular season. I want that guy at near 100 in May, so after protecting AD with frontline centers, bring me a playmaker or 2 to help Bron, Rondo and Caruso. Go get me DRose, McConnell or s*** even Brogdon. If they ain’t willing to flip like Morris did, then thanks for nothing Kawhi, but I’d hold onto the cap space to help facilitate trades cause there were 8 s&t deals this summer hardcapping all those teams.

Anyways, a lot could have been done, but instead we blitzed the remaining free agent pool, probably tried to do a solid to Klutch with the Kcp deal to help them get over AD waiving his kicker and here we are ready to do it again in two years when Giannis is up. But of course Bron would have to opt out and since all our 2 yr deals have player options (sans Caruso and Cook), we have to make sure we don’t need to replace those dude’s next summer if they decide to bounce.

Yeah, did I say our contingency was shot already?

Nzahir, see above and Vuc was a top 5 defensive center in win shares and his usage was top 35 in the league. Dude’s contract also decreases annually making him a decent trade chip even as he ages. And oh yeah, he makes enough salary to trade for a star player for whenever they get disgruntled with their situation. Plus showing AD we’re investing heavy in the center position can only help, right?

And yet another amazing contribution in driving Laker discussion. You’re on a...roll!!

 

Nah man. A real roster that for a fact could have been given contracts in the window they had to do what THEY wanted to do. A healthy Cousins not good enough for your third star? LMAO. A bunch of coulda done this and coulda done that.

 

Yeah, not interested in wasting another year of questionable competitiveness because we were limited to one-year offers. isn't that what your panties are bunched up about in the tremendous loss of tyronn lue, HOF coach?

i LOVE LOVE LOVE that we're not holding space for next summer. i hope we stop doing it altogether. until the league figures out how to block player-forced trades, we should play that game all day every day.

edit: and danny green is totally tradeable. all of our contracts are right now, even if they're not one-year deals.

i also don't think a three-star roster is necessary, and it's only advantageous in the modern league if everyone is 100% healthy for the postseason, which is QUITE difficult to accomplish via load management. the most recent nba champion had one star and a bunch of dudes that stayed healthy at the right time. they beat the team with 4 stars that lost one, then two. prime lebron's heat only went .500, and that was waltzing through the eastern conference.

we have a great shot. not guaranteed. but three stars isn't, either. see: recent history.

 

@vash, why do you keep suggesting the trade kicker is what potentially going to cause AD to bolt? AD has clearly stated he was going to opt out and be a free agent NO MATTER where he end up at, the key is winning as he stated, all he cares is about a chip. AD/James/3rd star and bunch of scrubs weren't going to get us there, I wanted leonard really badly too but I think the team would'vde been severely short of talent after the top 3, maybe we still manage to sign those cheap players like Daniels, Cook, Rondo and Mcgee but what else is left to get after that?

 

another side note: we're doing everything possible to keep AD happy in the most important (as he's stated) sense. he's claimed he's actually OVER-involved in decision making. if he leaves, it's because things went to hell in ways that are hard to foresee and impossible to plan for. honestly, sorta like dwight, except in the dwight situation, the warning signs were present from the start. here, there are literally none.

and i'm speaking as someone who was very concerned howard would bolt from the second we got him. don't get that feeling with davis. the knicks will not be a more attractive destination next year, or anytime soon after. the nets made their bed (which i'm guessing won't be comfortable). clips are capped and jv.

we're doing what we can. anything further, and you've got a houston situation, where the franchise is really just about getting harden mvps instead of winning the prize.

 

can't the clipps still get max room if they dump guys like Lou, Harrell, Zu?

 

A bunch of coulda? You serious bro?

Boog was limited the year before and was coming off a quad injury. Low minute high burst centers was the way to go, not only for AD, but for Boog. Even if dude came in without a hiccup this summer, you don’t only put McGee next to him. Noah would have been another nice add at low minutes high burst defensive options.

We saw what happened to Bron last year and make no mistake, he was low usage and started to crank it up heading into December. I didn’t like the gimmicky s*** of having him play small ball center as some “death” lineup with Zo, BI, Kuz and Hart...so I’m not too eager to have him play point guard for long durations of the regular season. Fact is Bron hasn’t done this s*** his whole career cause he’s had 2 other playmakers to rely on in Ky/Love and Wade/Bosh...and notice the wing help he did get. He doesn’t have that luxury with AD and he’s only getting older.

You know what coulda I’m interested in? We coulda won it all if we stayed healthy. So how do you stay healthy without just depending on dumb luck?

Green is a career 25min per player and has played 75 games or more in 4 of his last 8 seasons.

Boog avg 26min per game last year and has never played a 75 game season in his career. I’m a Boog fan too, but I couldn’t have been the only one thinking our center rotation was a problem with just Boog and McGee there. And even with Dwight, who avg’d 27mpg the last 3 seasons, I still feel we need more depth there to make sure our veteran legs all stay ready for a deep dive into the spring next year.

Bottomline: we had nearly 34m in cap (if split amongst 3 or more players) and we still have issues in terms of proper depth behind Bron/AD, playmakers and frontline players to eliminate AD’s presence there during the regular season.

Yep, still not a fan of the contingency.

 

I'm just tired of reading all your convoluted theories about what maybe could have happened. The rubber meets the road for the next two years with what THE FO's opinion along with all our good performing talent evaluators, decided in advance they wanted to put on the floor if Leonard fell through. Cousins was in there. Show me your "guaranteed we could have signed 15 man roster" and how it stacks up on paper against what they actually went out and assembled. Not f****** hypotheticals.

In fairness to all of us that don't see why you keep acting like you could have done better with the CAP and with assembling a better roster for the next 2 years to compete with .... 1-15 .... you really need at this point to put it on paper what could have NO DOUBT been done and let's compare their roster with Cousins in it against yours. It is impossible at this point to follow who the hell you would have had on the roster opening night.

 

Note: must be realistic in both timing and dollar amounts.

 

He may regret not signing an extension before now with the whole China thing. Not sure if it would matter, but the cap will undoubtedly be affected.

Should have listened to @vasashi17

Rich Paul who?

 

I agree ..... worth double posting for.

The Cousins contingency roster with Javale is going to kick @vasashi17's realistic no hurdles to clear signings' roster's butt. Health obviously hoped for by ALL teams and no crystal balls here. If not consensus who wins then at least we have something new and interesting and Concrete to discuss. Every team hopes for health. Cousins was looking like an excellent bet being over the quad injury, having lost all the weight, working his butt off and a year further from the achilles injury plus desperate to get back into the highlights and money. And win and be in L.A. where he has wanted to be for a long time. What team matches that front line with the good D players and the good shooters all assembled around them plus Lebron James and Anthony Davis?

 

So what we discussing now? My panties being in a bunch...really? Must be all that cortisol impacting my gonadotropin levels. Oh btw, AvBrad, Kcp, Boog, Dwight, Dudz, Troy, Cook, Rondo, McGee are all potential 1yr deals and we only control Cook’s future among them cause he’s a partially guaranteed deal. So what’s not to love?

Kh, So why am I insistent on an AD extension?

Wall, Bledsoe, Dray, Simmons: all Klutch players that signed an extension.

Without the trade kicker, we can’t even offer one...max, sub-max or otherwise.

AD also said Boston was on his short list and that he would be a Pel lifer. Put a max extension in front of him and see what he says then.

As for our trade assets this year, we can’t trade our 2020 1st cause the Pels control our 2021 1st (Stepien rule...but using our cap to get someone else’s 1st could have alleviated that problem, right?)

Kcp, McGee, Rondo all have no trade clauses. Kcp, AvBrad, McGee, Rondo are all 1yr deals with player options. If they opt out for greener pastures next summer, then hey we get to play free agency again.

So our trade assets are Green and Kuz...with the real asset only being Kuz.

If you want to improve this particular roster in December, alot of things have to fall in place and once again, we’d need some luck.

LT: I’ve given examples before but if you really want me to retread, locking up AD would be my priority and making sure he doesn’t overextend himself at the 5 is something that I hope would push him to sign an extension.

Out of a possible 32-34m, the kicker still leaves us with 28-30m depending on how many players we bring in with it. It could have all went to centers like Whiteside or Vuc or we could have really helped out Miami with Butler by taking on names like Richardson and Harkless/Leonard along with a Miami 1st round pick. The reason the cLips/Blazers got involved in the Butler deal is cause the Mavs with their cap space backed out. It’s wild cause had they not, maybe we get Green for even cheaper. The reason the Blazers needed the cLips is cause they were capped out and paying a luxury tax and they couldn’t send salary back to Miami cause they were hard capped. Also, taking on big contracts like Whiteside and Dragic from Miami leads to us later flipping that for a disgruntled star without needing to aggregate any other player in order to salary match.

But let’s say we don’t use the majority of our cap on a center (for AD). Then bring McGee & Boog at that 7.5m and we’re looking at 22.5m in remaining cap.

Now we can go about this 2 ways: go with Green @14m per or use the space to gain assets in salary dumps.

Iggy/dubs 1st for 17m gets us to about 5m in capspace. And that follows the timeline cause we was in the DLo hunt and once they knew they had him via S&t they needed to dump salary and we were one of the few that could do it.

With that 5m we could go get a DRose/IshSmith and have either of them agree to some unlikely incentives. If not a playmaking guard, then turn to some wing and forward help to help limit Bron/AD’s minutes with names like Lyles, Scott, Holmes, Davis, JaMychal and Kanter (who all signed 2yr and roughly 10m deals). s*** we could have even gone after Looney who signed for 3yrs 15m.

And if not Iggy then turn to Miami and Okc once they needed to dump Russ and help grease the wheels to further get Miami out of the hard cap with Jimmy’s s&t so they don’t have to stretch waive Anderson. Again, we had nearly 23m in cap to do it.

As for rounding out the roster, Wes Matthews is a poor man’s Green and could have been had for a 2yr vet min deal. WCS and/or Faried could have been had for the vet min so that we’re 3 deep at center. s*** Dwight would still be an option via his buyout. And there’s always Noah. Troy Daniels and Dudz probably don’t make the cut, but Cook still could have been had on a 2yr vet min deal since his current 2yr deal is only guaranteed for 4m. Caruso probably has to sacrifice 500k, but he could have been had for the vet min as well.

Oh and AvBrad would still be an option since we still had the room exception.

So again, I’m not trying to derail the AD thread and I’m not going to continue with a back and forth with y’all.

But seriously stop acting like it wouldn’t be ideal to gain lost assets in the AD trade and to at the very least lock up AD via an extension. s***, at least give him that option to turn down. But we can’t even do that, so sorry abeer but we are playing the free agent game next summer that you LOVE LOVE LOVE so much.

Now excuse me as I go to the Loo...wouldn’t want my panties to bunch up again.

 

lol, so we can invoke unlikely incentives now? fails realism test. as does the first part of the suggestions, which involve many transactions made prior to leonard's decision.

okc didn't dump russ, nor are they interested in dumping paul, per reports. no assets to be had, nor are late firsts very valuable. we got AD because we got lucky in the lotto and had a high pick, which you basically can't get via trade anymore with all the protections.

stop acting like AD was signing an extension in any case, when he has said he wasn't in any case.

and yes, pretty much anyone can see your bunched up drawers from several miles at this point. you were wrong about last summer, and you're wrong about AD's salary and/or our failure to overpay vucevic as the things that are going to drive him out of town. it's actually a fairly insane theory, possibly concocted to save some sort of face on all the defense you played for rob and magic last year?

in no way would taking salary dumps for maybe a single late first be an improvement on the contingency plan after leonard.

 

It's more of the same old stuff Vash. All you champion is any other combo of players than what was chosen. You couldn't even put down the @vasashi17 wet dream roster of 15 guys with their salaries along side so we could see it without wading through paragraphs AGAIN filled by the myriad possibilities in your mind that all would have been better. And compare the players at each position with their strengths and weaknesses, shooting and defense.

LOL the line with Vuc and the "center (for AD)" parenthesis explanation. Like freaking DeMarcus Cousins and Javale McGee were not centers (for AD).

So you can't make the hard decisions our actual FO did with 15 guys we could actually look at to see the names and salaries and genius of their fit together. You prefer to write paragraphs about hypotheticals that are maddening to read over and over no matter the rebuttals that make sense. Am disappointed.