Anthony Davis Discussion: Only Player On Both All NBA + All Def

I actually think we got a better shot at having the better record - AD is not going to load manage - he's fresh after last year and so is LeBron - both played less than 60 games last year and no playoffs - just worked on their games all summer and came back fresh and it shows.

Yes, we can't stop PG or Kawhi one on one - but with Javale inside and AD roaming and having the ability to switch onto perimeter players, they'll have a tougher time scoring than they think. Also - nobody on their team can contain AD for a full 48 - he's the best player on the court imo (yes, better than Kawhi).

 

AD is gonna have a monster season and--as the cool kids say--I am so here for it.

 

Everyone was ready to anoint the Clippers the next NBA champs... many things will have to go right for them. I don't think Paulina has gone through a season without missing time after the compound fracture of both the tib/fib of his right leg back in 2014. Leonard has never gone a full 82 games. I know they load managed him last season but with the Raptors talent level and playing in the LEastern Conference they had the luxury of doing that... the Clippers are not as deep as people seem to think...certainly not as deep as the Raptors or as talented. Honestly, I thought PG crapped the bed in the playoffs. He looked really mediocre... probably the shoulders but still. I guess we will see.

I think the Lakers will have a better record. However, the Clippers will be dangerous in the playoffs when the game slows down and the rotations tighten.

Everyone seems to be sleeping on Denver. I think they will be really good. They needed the beatdown from Portland to ascend the mountain. The Lakers went through that against the Stockton/Malone Jazz. It just happens. They will be much better this season.

My dark horse to make some noise will be Dallas. They should be entertaining to watch. So, both of those teams, Denver and Dallas, I think have a good chance to upset the apple cart and have better records that the Clippers.

I think the Lakers will either have the #1 or #2 seed. We need health though for it to happen.

 

Then I meant I can't wait until we manage to drop a load on the Clips.

 

For those that have still not fully embraced our next franchise player (and frankly, I envision talking to an empty room at this point), AD was already a true Laker even before the deal went through.

I would have liked to keep BI and I would have liked the #4 pick to count as outgoing salary in the deal...but the most regrettable part of the trade is not having him come in with the trade kicker once we whiffed on a 3rd max player in free agency. If dude came in via trade kicker, we could have offered him a 2yr 30%max extension in January using this year’s CBA projections and that would have taken dude into 2022 where he would then be eligible for a 35%max contact. I really want to lock up dude asap cause free agency has been goofy AF as of late.

Also to be noted, with all the s*** happening with China, AD could possibly lose money next summer if the CBA cap projections reflect a dip or complete loss of the Chinese market. So being able to offer an extension to him would have given him a luxury he sacrificed away in balking at the supermax and then the trade kicker.

 

watched ball and ingram some last night. was struck by how easy the game looks for AD and reminded of how difficult it looks for BI--even when he's playing well. ball looked the same: some heady plays and missed shots.

i'm still befuddled as to why vasashi seems to care more about AD's finances than he does.

 

Thx LJ!

His trade kicker would have unlocked an 30%max extension in January. That allows us to lock him up till 2022 when he’s first eligible for a 35%max deal.

By waiving the trade kicker, that’s no longer an option. If we had to choose a supposed Klutch tax, it would be AD’s trade kicker over Kcp. Remember waiving the trade kicker was for Kawhi (a 3rd max guy). If that came to fruition, the most Kcp could have gotten from us was the room exception at 4.7m.

I’m interested in locking up our next franchise player without dealing with the b*******....that’s all! It’s befuddling to me why folks might have a problem with that.

 

And so folks understand where I'm really coming from:

Klutch klients Wall, Bledsoe and most recently Dray have all taken extensions

The Chinese market does impact the NBA’s salary cap and next summers projections went from 117m to 116m which cost AD 300k in potential max dollars. And that was months before China. If the China thing is truly unsalvageable, that 116m figure continues to dip and has the potential to cost AD millions.

AD’s bird rights give us the unique position of offering him more in free agency than others...but by how much? Dude is eligible to get 35%max coin in 2022, so I’m assuming the extra year we can grant him next summer over other teams (max 5yr deal vs 4yr deals from other clubs) is out. So if it’s a 2 yr deal, then our only advantage is we can offer 8% escalators in the 2nd year compared to just 5% by the opposition. Let’s ignore the Chinese mess and let’s say the cap stays at 116m, we can only offer 1m more in a 2yr deal compared to the next team. So his bird rights don’t really give us an advantage on any short term deals that lead up to his 35%max bag in 2022.

So if we were in position to give him a peace of mind via an extension in January using the current salary figures (and bypassing the s*** show of 2020 free agency), that option does not exist due to the waived kicker.

Hope that clears up my position more.

#LockHisA**UpA$AP

 

all of this requires that there are suitors with more (or the same, really) money and better situations.

much ado about nothing.

 

So you foresaw a capped out Miami getting Jimmy and the cLips getting Kawhi, but only via a George trade? The summer before, did you really believe Bron would come alone?

Free agency is much a who knew about everything? My guess is that without an Palantir, not many.

 

Now what I find myself wondering is if China is going to cancel the preseason games???

 

Honestly, I'd cancel all the NBA games there and get everyone back asap.

 

i must have missed how george, leonard, butler, and lebron left their teams because they couldn't get their full theoretical max and for no other reasons?

 

and not eat Chinese food for at least a week. Maybe two.

:Vogelshocked:

that'll show 'em

 

No, you’re just missing the point.

Media...s*** even our own fan base...s***s on the Lakers. Going into the summer of 2020 with AD as a free agent and with how fickle free agency has been, isn’t ideal.

We’re just one major Bron injury away from AD having googly eyes for another team.



Best thing to do is to lock him in, so that even if he pulls a b**** move like George did, you get assets back. Otherwise we just have to hope he agrees to facilitate a s&t if he wants to go elsewhere.

Don’t get me wrong...everything about AD feels like he’s here for the long haul...but we’ve all seen how that movie goes. You can’t get too comfortable.

Frankly I’m not sure why you’re fighting why the the best move (sans a 3rd max) would have been to have Gayle pay his trade kicker so that we could lock dude up 6 months after the trade. By waiving the kicker, we can’t even offer a sub max extension even if he/we wanted to.

 

Something in which he was complicit. I get it...

 

Devil's vashicating though ...... AD also stated many times that NO matter where he was come 2020 he was going to take the opportunity and test FA. All these alpha dogs love that when they finally get the chance.

 

That doesn’t change the fact that we can’t even offer an extension for him to turn down.

And if you really want to play devil’s advocate pay attention to what Rich says to McMenamin in that AD trade piece. He mentions the Knicks unprovoked, as a realistic landing spot for AD and even had this to say about Giannis...again unprovoked:

After our 2yr signings this summer, our FO made no secret to having flexibility for the 2021 free agent pool (one in which you must assume Bron would need to opt out of his player option for us to go big game hunting in).

So I’m not sure if this is Rich’s way of flexing on our FO, but I do agree that looking at Giannis in 2021, while assuming Bron will opt out and all this after grabbing AD who will be a free agent next summer, isn’t the best way to show how committed you are to that Klutch duo. I mean they even alluded to a Bron timeline from the Lue non-signing.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play/_/id/27797981

Its a dangerous game to play. I rather lock AD up before playing all these games.

Simmons is a perfect example...there were rumors he would go the unconventional route and turn down an extension. And we all know how that turned out.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadsp...he-nbas-power-structure-with-o-1832715259/amp

All I’m saying is that it would be ideal to have had the opportunity to lock up dude before next summer.

 

Bottom line. At the time this went down they were going all in believing Clippersnake was really considering us. Someone said it back then and I agree, while YMMV that Lakers were showing Snake's camp they were committed to having the full space open and not having to richard around with teams not wanting to help the now Super team to clear the last 3 mil. Sure it could have happened but Klutch and Davis himself were down with doing it. Not to mention it was bogus in the first place with him forcing the trade when they didn't want to trade him. Why should NO have been penalized. Just tired of it being brought up as if Klutch and AD were not orchestrating and in the thick of all this.