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  1. Jaguar

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    In assessing whether too much was given up in the trade package, was there any value given to the fact that Lavar would no longer be around? That is a residual benefit that has to be good for something.
     
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  2. Mr. Rambis

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    @Jaguar No, but there is concern that Lonzo's camp may leak something to try to slow down the trade. No evidence it will happen but Lakers know his camp is more than capable of pulling a stunt like that. Personally I feel that as long as Lonzo doesn't somehow sabotage his own physical, it should be okay.

    -Mr. Rambis
     
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    Mr. Rambis - Rookie - LB Verified Insider

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    @karacha Yes big relief! It's tough to say that very often nowadays about the front office!
     
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    This "getting Rambis' blessing" on deals is really starting to get on my last nerve. Where is the proof that Rambis is in charge of anything on this team? Seriously? The Kurt Rambis and Linda Rambis jokes are fine, but there is no evidence those two dildos have any say on s***.
     
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    @OX1947 When it comes to bball ops though Jeanie has the final say she generally puts those decisions in the hands of "trusted advisors." Originally that was supposed to be entirely Magic, but since his departure, Kurt has become a powerful voice. He interfaces between upper level management and basketball ops, so Jeanie wanted his opinion before pulling the trigger. This is going to be the theme moving forward...

    -Mr. Rambis
     
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  7. Weezy

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    Uh, multiple Lakers beat reporters saying over the last month or so that is the FO structure? It’s pretty clear Rob and Kurt are in charge of basketball right now from all credible sources, with Kurt seeming to step into the void Magic left.
     
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    Weezy Moderator Staff Member

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    Hahaha Jeff Van Gundy reading AD’s mind.
     
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  9. svtzr

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    Go after Kawhi and Butler first. They’re both strong two way players.

    We saw Love go from a 26/13 to a spot up shooter, no one wants that from the guy we just traded the farm for. So Kyrie and Kemba are 3rd options and we gotta be clear that the third max player always gets affected by the law of diminishing returns. There is only one ball, so why go for a Kyrie or Kemba when they won’t have the ball in their hands.

    This FA class has a lot of good role players:

    Beverley
    Rondo
    Collision
    Rubio
    Reddick
    Brogdon
    Ellington
    Green
    Hood
    Seth Curry
    Ariza
    Gay
    J. Green
    Aminu
    Bogdanovic
    Morris
    Mirotic
    Lopez
    McGee
    Chandler
    Cousins
    M Gasol
    Deandre

    And if we get rid of Wagner/Bonga, we got 35m. There isn’t enough cap space league wide for all of those guys to go the 10m+ route, pickup someone like Brogdon for 15-18m and then split the rest of the 17-20m on 3 of the better ones. Maybe Green, Lopez and Ariza. And try to sign 2 or 3 more for vet mins, like Rondo/Gay/McGee.
     
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    Here's PROOF we have on who runs the Lakers. Jeanie is the owner. Rob Pelinka is the General Manager. Rob Pelinka being a former agent is a cap master. In 2 years, he executed the elimination of 2 toxic contracts and freed up enough money to get Lebron James and kept enough salary to trade for AD and enough to have the ability to acquire another max guy. Those are facts and they are a click away from finding them on the internet. Magic helped in closing the deal on Lebron because Magic is only good at being Magic. Everything else, he is a disaster but we all knew that.

    So, now, can we please stop talking about Kurt Rambis and Linda and Chaz and all these mystical puppet masters that supposedly run the Lakers decision making? They don't control s*** according to the evidence we see in the places that matter. Listening to media people make s*** up is not evidence. None of the idiots who know everything knew anything. And anyone who "game out first with AD going to LA" were likely just shooting guesses out their rear ends and it just happened to come true. Anyone could have done that.
     
  11. Weezy

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    Yeah, I went back and added to that post, because I didn’t feel like I fully explained my stance, I added this bit

    “I do think the conversation is still worth having and being debated though, if only because we saw Houston almost beat the Warriors 2 years ago with the 2 star model, and now the Warriors are out next season. Houston, Toronto, Portland, OKC, there are many teams that have 2 stars plus some depth, so it’s not out of the question we go that way, or if we strike out on a 3rd max guy that we aren’t still in good position to compete for a title with a solidly built roster around LeBron and AD. We know for sure punting cap space is over though, and I love that, we are all in with LeBron, AD, and the 3rd max guy or a nice roster of really good role players around them next season.”

    As for Kyrie and Kemba being high usage, it’s true, and yes they’d likely not have the ball as much. I still go after them though, because LeBron is going to be 35 next season, and a guy like Kyrie who is 27 paired up with a 26 year old AD leaves us a 2 star core beyond LeBron. I also think as LeBron declines he is the one with the diminishing returns who might start to take more of backseat to those other guys in year 3 and/or 4. So one of those players would still be worth having to me above quality role players to help the LeBron decline and transition away from him. By that time I would actually expect LeBron wouldn’t want to do as much of the ball-handling duties so a guy like Kyrie feeding everyone would be very valuable.
     
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  12. Weezy

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    Um, no, as long as it continues to be reported by actual people that cover the Lakers and the league for ESPN, and I’m not talking Twitter people here I’m talking people like Ramona, Plaschke, McMenamin, our radio guys, and Woj, I’ll talk about Kurt being a FO member all I want.



    If you don’t want to see people mention Kurt and for some reason it drives you off the deep end with anger, feel free to put me on “ignore”. Kurt being a part of our current FO power structure is just reality.
     
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    Clear where? What clear? Who are the multiple beat reporters saying anything? What does Linda know about basketball operations? What does Kurt Rambis know about player personnel? The only people running s*** in LA right now not named Jeanie or Rob is Klutch. That's about it.
     
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    Totally get your line of thinking. I wouldn’t mind it playing out that way either. I just think when Lebron comes off the books, it’ll be time to look for a new star with that freed up cap space.
     
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    So the same guy everyone complains about when it comes to Laker talk, now you take what he says on this as legit? Do the Lakers have Kurt Rambis in their media guide as their consultant now? Anyone have the current media guide? Will we get one in the new year?
     
  16. Jaguar

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    We just willingly traded our #2 pick, while insisting that we keep our #27 pick from the same draft. I wouldn’t get too worked up about future picks. Focus on getting rings now.
     
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    Cook, draft picks got us AD. Also, draft picks need to be fully committed to. And that commitment means 3 to 4 years, if you are lucky. These kids are 19, they take time, and the Lakers really never gave it a chance. Had they just rolled with Dlo, randle, BI, lonzo and hart, maybe in 3 years they would have been the new GSW minus the shooting. However, the Lakers, Lakers fans never wanted it. We want already made stars and titles now. And that's where we are going now.
     
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    You can ignore blatant evidence all you want, but I presented it. Ramona said on the radio and on the Jump many times that Kurt was working in the FO, and Phil was even being consulted, she used the phrase “Knicks West”, and she is Jeanie’s mouthpiece. It’s also been speculated that Woj may get his Lakers info from Pelinka directly, so there’s that, but he also often collaborates with Ramona, so he’s clearly heard things. We’ve also got stuff like this, which Plaschke and Mcmenamin also reported. Am I supposed to disbelieve all of these reporters and think Kurt is involved in stuff this important for the pure fun of it?



    Again, you can get mad over this, but it’s not going to stop his name being mentioned, he’s working in the FO, it is what it is, I’m still not really understanding all the anger. Do you just dislike Kurt that much? If so we agree there, dude has failed up his entire post-playing career.
     
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  19. Mr. Rambis

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    Kurt has a lot more power than most of you likely are comfortable with. If I had to make a comparison, while it isn't exact, he's essentially slid into Magic's role as far as authority goes, just without the title (for optics reasons). Based on what I've seen, he's not great at creating a welcoming corporate culture, unfortunately.

    That being said, if you are a fan of the AD trade, he could have killed it but gave the final "okay" - so there's that.

    -Mr. Rambis
     
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    Alright. You win. I'm a Kurt Rambis fan again.
     

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