Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

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  1. abeer3

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    i'll take any positive in this desert of a season. even if it's a mirage.
     
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    Kinda odd that an applogy would be coming from you, but some of us ain't salty, so arenge you glad there's really no need for one? I'll go bananas if Kawhi is a Laker and we didn't have to trade 9-11 players to do it.

    If anything, I bealieve there is something you probably should apologize for, but hey, we all see what we want to see, so I can't fault you for not having a more rosier outlook.

    Still pearception is a MFer: Like the narrative that Kawhi wanted to be his own man and that's why he's off the Bron team-up. Yet...



    Hey, I know things change over time...just look at fans that used to cheer for a LakerLifer as a player suddenly conspire against him when he has a different hat on.

    But, I guess it's what have you done for me lately...in which case, I wonder how Kawhi views our medical staff? UCLA is top notch and we do tend to alleviate stress off the athlete and let them come along back from injury at their own pace. So the weight tips in our favor. But if Kawhi is interested in preventive care, we might need to seek a new balance.

    Folks will continue to see what they want to see...either this yields us fruit or it still does, but in the form of sour grapes.

    #LetMeFruitFrootRootForTheHomeTeam
     
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    Savory Griddles Moderator Staff Member

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    One question I have about Kawhi being the plan all along, why did we go all in on AD with the rumor we also were willing to take on Solomon Hill? If we don't take on Solomon Hill, we would have been left with around 79 million after AD, Lebron, Deng's corpse, and cap holds. That isn't enough to offer Kawhi the max if the cap is at 109 (as expected). If we are taking on Solomon Hill, we aren't even close to getting Kawhi max money. This "insider" (if you go back to yesterday) is saying the Lakers are going to try to trade for AD before the draft. This creates the same issue.

    The math doesn't add up here. We can only combine the three if we trade for AD AFTER we sign Kawhi. And signing Kawhi probably takes us out of the AD sweepstakes next summer.
     
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    What adds up is Kawhi's bag if he opts into his 21.3m player option and gets traded to his next destination.

    With his bird rights in tow, his new team gets to offer an extra year to him in any contract and he'll get about 60m+ over the life of that contract with 8% annual escalators vs 5%.

    Look at what KD did with the dubs. Essentially 3 one year deals in succession which earned the dubs KD's bird right's this summer, where only they can offer him 5yrs 225m, while the rest of us can only offer him a max of 4yrs 165m.

    Kawhi next year is in his 9th season, so he'll be able to get a KD type bag as a 10th year player during the summer of 2020. That could give him some incentive to opt into his player option and get traded this summer with his bird rights in tow.

    Anyways, we have the cap to max out an opted out Kawhi at 32.7m this summer and still trade for AD by partially absorbing some if it with nearly 6m in remaining cap space (assuming AD waives his trade kicker).

    If we trade for AD first, then we'll have roughly 30m (vs 32.7m) to offer Kawhi on a 1+1 deal, where he'll opt out along with AD during the summer of 2020 and set themselves up to get more of that bag.

    #X+Kawhi=Zzz (as in the cap critics might soon need to grab a snuggie)
     
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    Every time I see this thread title the dad jokes hit me in the face

     
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    So I understand that Kawhi is probably willing to give up 2 million to come here. He did give up the supermax with San Antonio. But it still doesn't explain the Solomon Hill thing. All the reports were we would have taken him on. That would have ended a Kawhi pursuit. My point is, if Kawhi was the plan all along, we were doing things that were going to make the plan impossible to carry out.

    I actually like the idea of Ball/Kawhi/Ingram/Lebron/10th pick (Jaxon Hayes?), better than trading all the kids for AD. I know stars win in this league, but how do you feed Lebron, AD, AND Kawhi enough shots? With Lebron, the third star has always seemingly taken a backseat (Bosh/Love). Ball and Ingram can do so many things without scoring. From what I'm reading, Hayes is the best rim runner in the draft. If Ingram, Ball and Kuz are your role players as opposed to being asked to be second options, they could really flourish and we could easily "get by" with a mere two stars. Going after AD is a move being done for a post Lebron team, not for creating the most balanced roster.

    Hayes/Lebron/Ingram/Kawhi/Ball as your starters. A bench mob of Kuz/Hart/Chandler and maybe Ricky Rubio and Terrance Ross with the remaining cap space. That's team building, not star gazing.
     
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    how would you afford Rubio and Ross? neither one are going to be taking any of those exception (mle $)....they're both going to get double digit millions IMO
     
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    I think Rubio might take the exception, and under this plan, you'd still probably have about 10 million or so in cap space. 10 million to Ross and Room exception to Rubio. Regardless of who we fill out the roster with though, even if our bench starts with Kuzma, Hart, and Chandler, that's a good start.
     
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    When Turner released detailed info like the Solomon thing, you think LA released that info to help convince themselves that a Solomon stretch still places us with roughly 27m in cap space? You think Rich Paul did it to convince us in the public forum when he could easily go to Magic/Rob in private?

    Pair that with Ramona stating that Brad's sources were from the Pel's camp and I believe the Solomon info was leaked from them to convince our novice FO that we can still stretch him and have remaining cap space to attack 2019 free agency.

    And let's say that's not the case, taking on Solomon and stretching him (w/o a buyout) would put 4.3m in dead cap on our books for the next 3 summers along with Deng's 5m. So with about 8.5% of our cap taken up with dead weight, we'd still have roughly 27m to offer Kawhi (roughly 6m short of his true max this summer). Again, it benefits him to do a 1+1 deal this summer to be eligible for a 35%max next summer (2020). So maybe he sacrifices a bit more of that bag in a 1 year deal this summer.

    And even with the Solomon contract, we still would be able to trade for and fully absorb Kawhi's current deal if he opts in and wants his bird rights to come with him back to LA.

    Either way, I know folks miss DLo/Jules/Zu and we wasted a prime year of Bron's career...but I really do like our flexibility moving forward and if the endgame is using Bron to get AD and then pairing him with Kawhi, then both those dudes is in their mid20s and our future is set.
     
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    Obviously the opt-in strategy ala CP3 is the best case scenario. It might allow us to keep one of our kids (fingers crossed it's Ingram.) Especially since I believe all of the Pelicans leverage will be out the window when Kyrie bolts to NY with Durant. But I can't see that happening with Kawhi's injury history. But Kuz, Ball, 10th pick, and a future first for AD. Then Hart, Wagner and another future first for the opt-in trade of Kawhi.

    AD/Chandler
    Lebron/TIME
    Ingram/Barnstable
    Kawhi/Weezy
    Vasashi17/Savory Griddles

    That team wins a ring.
     
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    Not with that weak a** PG rotation they don't. Putting that diva at starter is a non-starter!

    Plus our power forwards are washed. TIME's only gonna give old man Bron what 9-11 minutes of blow???
     
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    I rather us keep Lonzo then Ingram just based on fit and Kawhi and Ingram playing the same position.

    Zo
    Kawhi
    LeBron
    AD
    McGee

    That's a great offensive defensive team
     
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    Smart move slotting me in at backup Power Forward. I'll come in and use up my 5 fouls in my 5 minutes on the court. My only concern is starting Vas at PG.
     
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    Well, you could start me at the 1. I mean, I actually used to play PG almost 30 years ago. I can give us a solid 5-6 minutes per game still and I'll hit 80+% of my FTs guaranteed.
     
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    I think Vas projects to be a Gilbert Arenas type which will be a good change of pace from myself as I am Dan d***au.

    Edit: It censored his name. :rofl:
     
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    Yeah go figure. If you'd typed Dan prickau it would have been OK.

    :Shaqdisappointed:
     
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    Just tryin' stuff.
     
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