Lonzo Ball Discussion: Bulls

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  1. Alcindor

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    When In N Out first opened close by me in Rancho Cucamonga, shortly after, a Mc Donalds opened next door. Me and my 2 best friends would regularly go to In N Out and regularly complain that the fries weren't as good as Mickey D's. It took a little while, probably due to weed, but one day we were sitting there eating outside In N Out, complaining that the fries weren't as good as Mickey D's and one of us went "What if...we like...ah...just bought our burgers and drinks at In N Out and then walked over and got our fries at Mickey D's?" The lightbulb that went off was like a super-nova. I think I heard a choir of angels singing.

    Which started a routine we repeated for years, one of us walked over to Mc Donald's and got 3 fries while the other 2 got the burgers and drinks at In N Out. Or we just drove through both drive throughs once we got cars.

    Since there is a McDonald's just a few blocks away from the In N Out in North Hollywood, I've shown this trick to my kids a few years back and they now demand that we go to Mickey D's for fries after we go through In N Out drive through.

    I hope Zo's knee gets better soon (there, I'm on topic).
     
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    They make a pretty mean Black Cherry ice cream too.
     
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    Off topic: note to self...visit Rite Aid.
     
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    HIGHLY RECOMMENDED READ.
     
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    Rite Aid Mint Chocolate Chip is where it’s at y’all.

    Grew up with that stuff, and it’s a trip down memory lane every time. It’s funny to think that it used to be less than a dollar for a cone, sound like a damn old man.
     
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    Great read! Thanks for that.

    Loved how the writer put pretty much the entire article in layman's terms and provided some visuals like this one:
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    Except that it is a big deal. It's good to hear from someone who knows about this type of thing for sure but there is the issue of stagnation as far as building his body. Rooks often are susceptible to injury due to not really being ready strength-wise and from fatigue. There is a reason Magic told Zo that this was the most important summer of his life. That can go a bad way too. We needed him to get over that hump this summer so at the very least, we weren't waiting on him to stay healthy consistently.

    Now maybe this is a get-ready year with LeBron considering we need to make that next FA move but the way things have been moving seems to keep accelerating now with Maj/Rob & now Lebron is speeding it even more. If a deal for Kawhi (for instance) can happen at the deadline and we are playing like a team that just needs that piece to put us over AND Zo is still having some injury and shooting issues, even a little bit, he could get sent to the Great White North with KCP and all our picks so Masai gets something especially if Kawhi is still saying Lakers or bust. I like Zo and it's not a reflection on him or something he did but it is some Big Baller Brand Bad Luck.

    KCP - 12 mil
    Zo - 7.46 il
    Bonga - 1 mil
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    20.46 mil

    Kawhi 20.1 mil
     
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    Enter: Rondo

     
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    yeah, that was definitely informative. however, it didn't speak to the big questions: how likely is re-injury? or rather: is there something structural/biological that will lead to ball having lots of small injuries that turn into bigger ones (like this one did, at least according to this guy's educated speculation)? that may be unknowable, but it's pretty scary, as is any procedural that involves removal of tissue and risk of future arthritis in the knee.

    all surgery is a big deal, imo.
     
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    It's all relative. Surgery is of course not ideal, but in the scheme of things, this is as minor an MCL/meniscus injury as possible and at his age recovery at 95% is a good sign of things working out.

    Unless you have your hands on his knees and are training him every day, it'd be really difficult to say whether or not he's got structural issues that would make this chronic. Based on the mechanism of his MCL injury (acute), I'd say the odds are more likely this was something caused by external forces instead of structural issues, but that's just a guess.

    For what it's worth, my wife (physical therapist) loved the article and said the person was on point in every way. Chances of re-injury are low and the logic behind all of the guesses is sound.

    This injury also does not mean he can't do anything for the next few weeks. He can still lift with his upper body and core. In a week or two he'll get that big bandage off and he'll walk unassisted. A week or two after that they'll evaluate him and see if he can start taking shots again. In about a month they'll probably start testing to see how soon he can get back on the court running.
     
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    He’s gonna be sooo fat!

    - Magic (Probably)
     
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    Excellent Read Indeed
     
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    Nice write up for sure and the timeline and numerous diagnoses explaining the alignment are appreciated... but prognosis is what we're interested in.

    Surgical intervention is always the last resort and something that is desirable to avoid. But the fact that it happened showed that there are stability issues and/or pain tolerance related limitations.

    I still believe his youth is his saving grace since in general a poorly perfused region of the human body really can get in the way when hemodynamics are affected by wear and tear due to age.

    Making that joint as well as the rest of his body stronger is where this injury and recovery takes a blow.

    You're trying to prevent injury due to the length of a NBA season and now Zo instead needs to regain strength lost in that knee.

    That joint will never be the same, just as it most likely will be prone to arthritis (which is chronic). In normal human beings, the amount of duress you put on your knees is far more limited than an athlete that projects to ideally have 15+ more seasons on that knee (with numerous postseason appearances). That expedites the arrival of chronic arthritic pain in that knee. I don't think it will affect him in his mid 20s, but late 20s (nearly 10 years after the fact)...oh for sure.

    It's not something to worry about now, but just glossin over this isnt something we have the luxury of having either.
     
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    "hemodynamics"

    :KobeConfused:
     
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    In terms of abundant blood flow, the knee is one of the worst in receiving it.

    You have "healing factors" in your blood. If the joint can't receive it, then you're healing window increases, if not appropriately healed at all.

    That explains the prp injections aka focused/targeted healing where normally blood wouldn't be able to proportionately supply it (aka poor hemodynamics).

    Hope that helps...oh and eating a burger (no matter how tasty it is) doesn't necessarily help hemodynamics either haha
     
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    I don't know, what I heard from a very very reputable physical trainer was: "NO! Lonzo’s gotta lift that pig iron, that real iron, and he’s gotta run some hills!"
     
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    None of that p**** rubber band s***
     
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    I think I understand. "No hemo" like the other back in the day at CL?
     
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