Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

Because from reports it seems like LBJ is tied to Kawhi and SA are bing d**** about this whole situation.

That said, if they ask for more than 2 of our young guys. I walk out of the discussions.

 

Theres really only one report that the two are tied and a bunch of other reports that Lebron is a for sure thing to LA.

 

Isn't Woj the one reporting it though? To me, he's pretty credible, but I could be wrong.

 

Let's take the report at face value: LA is looking to add another future 1st at the expense of taking on salary when out cap space. Currently the cbags and ATL are the only 2 teams to have multiple 2019 1st round picks (they currently have 3 each).

For obvious reasons, the cbags are out, so we're limited to deal with ATL. We know they wanted to give up Baze for Matthews in the 3 for 5 pick swap with Dallas on draft night.

I would take on Shroeder, Baze for one of their 1sts and send Shroe along with whatever the Spurs want for Kawhi.

Maybe LA is doing this to avoid sending them our youngs on team friendly deals. Maybe that's why they're shopping for future picks, so that BI, Kuz and Hart are spared. The Spurs getting Moe, Shroe and Jules (s&t) while getting future picks.

Kawhi (20)
Deng (18)
Baze (18)
Zo, BI, Hart, Kuz (16)
= 72m

29m in cap space

Stretch Deng and you have enough for Bron's max and then some.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Spurs can also dump Pau and of course that gives them more incentive to do a deal with us.

 

atl isnt a team moving $ with picks, theyre the other group wanting salary for picks. what would atl have to gain with cap space? nobody is signing with them as currently constructed

 

He is but in this case it seems like he's being the Spurs media mouthpiece.
Magic yesterday at the rookie press conference just said there's no pressure, he's comfortable with waiting until next year to catch the big fish and he won't make moves just to make moves. And suddenly today we are under pressure to trade for Kawhi? (as per Woj).

 

@Khmrp It's been reported that they're trying to move off Shroe and Baze...plus they're building a new stadium and sports hub in downtown ATL... They're in cost crunch mode/player development mode.

If anything we can also s&t 26 yo KCP back to his home town and have the Spurs send some of their rfas to ATL to get a deal done.

 

PG isn't coming ....

We can't afford missing Lebron and Kawhi .

Maybe some of you don't realize we still can end up empty handed this summer ... which would be the biggest disaster in our franchise history at this point .

We can't f*** this up

 

I would MUCH rather have Lebron, PG and the kids over Lebron, Kawhi and only one or two of the kids.

If we pull off the big 3 of Lebron, PG and Kawhi while somehow keeping 3 of Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle and Hart, you absolutely have to do it.

Questions:

1. Can we actually include Randle in a sign and trade package? I’ve heard that sign and trades can’t include other players from our side.
2. If the package does include Randle in a sign and trade but does NOT include Deng, do we still have the cap space to max Lebron and George? Like assuming we can’t dump Deng in a separate deal and end up having to stretch him.

 

1. Yes, you can package a S&t player. The only rule to worry about in terms of a S&t is that the team receiving that player is hard-capped at the apron (projected at 130m this year). So once they absorb the S&t player, they cannot be above 130m in total team salary, otherwise the trade is null & void. If the team receiving the s&t player is below the apron, then they have to remain under the apron for the remainder of the season and can at no time break thru it with any future personnel decisions.

2. Trading Jules would mean that salary is coming back on our books cause there's no way we're dumping him unless it's involving Deng.

If we let Jules walk for nothing and waive our non-guaranteed contracts of Ennis, TB and Zu...

Deng + kids (Zo, BI, Kuz, Hart, Moe) = 36m in team salary = 65 in cap space

Brons max (35.4) + Georges max (30.3) = about 66m in necessary cap space

Stretching Deng gives us about 11M back in cap space giving us a total of 76m in cap space which fits in a maxed out Bron/George and then some.

Jules caphold (12.4m) + kids = 31m in team salary = 70m in cap space

Jules caphold + kids + Deng stretch = about 39m in team salary = about 62m in cap space.

If Jules sticks then we need to do more than just stretch Deng to keep him and max out Bron/George. We literally have to dump him with only about 6m at most coming back our way.

Hope that helps answer your questions.

 

thats we call desperation and thats what spurs are hoping for...youd make a terrible negotiator

 

2nd part is a big no if deng is still here

 

You have a shot at getting 2 top 5 players , who cares about potential

 

Thanks! First question answered, but let me elaborate on what I was thinking with my second question.

Randle (12.5 cap hold), Ingram (5.7), Zubac (1.5), 2 future firsts for Kawhi (20.1)

We’re giving up $19.7 million in salary total and taking back $20.1. (Well this would involve us accepting Zu’s option, so I think net result is we’re adding like $2 million in salary).

Let’s say Randle’s new contract with SA starts at $17 million. Spurs are giving up $20.1 million and getting back $24.2 million.

If I’m understanding things correctly, that would be a legal trade that essentially keeps us in the same salary position we’re in right now. And so we could stretch Deng, max Lebron and PG, and end up with something like:

Ball / Caruso
George / Mykhailiuk
Leonard / Hart
James / Kuzma
Lopez / Wagner

Would this all be feasible or is anything I proposed here against CBA rules?

 

I’m watching the dodgers game on espn and the ticker says the Lakers are under pressure to trade by Friday. I don’t like that message. They have to be willing to walk away from the table instead of getting jobbed. They can’t let LeBron indirectly pressure them into a bad deal.

 

you dont count randle new deal as a subtraction from our current cap, it wasnt there to begin with it...

 

I didn’t count Randle’s new deal as subtraction from our cap. I counted his cap hold which is currently on the books.

But yeah, I just remembered that we need to dump Deng in order to keep Randle’s cap hold and 2 max slots.