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https://www.si.com/nba/2018/01/12/lavar-ball-comments-lakers-reaction-luke-walton-firing-lonzo-ball

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Couple thoughts.

"While it's unlikely they'd ever trade Lonzo specifically because of his dad, they could decide to trade him for other reasons—"LeBron doesn't want to play with a 20 year-old point guard" reasons"

Bulls***. He would be all over 21 year old Lonzo. So to speak.

"Even if you think LaVar and the Lakers will suddenly be covered rationally, there's an even more basic reason to refuse to engage: Who is taking LaVar seriously? Has anyone—any respected voice in the entire basketball world—come out and questioned Walton's future in the last week? Who should Magic be looking to convince?"

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^I seriously really don't see the first one happening. This team needs a closer that score when needed. Ingram is not there yet. James is more of a facilitator which we have with Ball AND Ingram in spot minutes.

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Ball bros scoreless in 2nd game against better competition

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...lamelo-ball-fail-score-second-lithuanian-game

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sirronstuff said: ↑

Ball bros scoreless in 2nd game against better competition

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...lamelo-ball-fail-score-second-lithuanian-game
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Fake news.

They barely played.

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Fake news.

They barely played.
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Because they aren’t good enough. Still combined 0-7, so they were scoreless.

Nothing fake about that.

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Sitting on the bench in Lithuania vs Melo finishing his best 2 years in HS as BMOC and Gelo driving his Masarati to UCLA every day. What does LaVar do now ..... start a campaign against the coach because the guy doesn't know how to use them?

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Because they aren’t good enough. Still combined 0-7, so they were scoreless.

Nothing fake about that.

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This is how it goes in Europe though. Young people tend not to play. Even Zubac got limited minutes over there which made him hard to scout. The only way young guys get minutes is if they're out of this world talented like Ricky Rubio (not sarcasm, he's genuinely one the greatest passers to come out of Europe).

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They played.
They didn’t score.
Real news.

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How come TRD is always the TPOM? give it up to somebody sometimes, dude

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How come TRD is always the TPOM? give it up to somebody sometimes, dude
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Come hard to take this crown!

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Ric Bucher went in on Lavar with an assist from other team officials in his new scathing B/R piece:

"What player or coach can trust saying anything around the kid when they know it can end up in public?" one Eastern Conference general manager told B/R.

An Eastern Conference vice president agreed. "It doesn't do anybody any favors," he said. "Not the team, the fans, nor Lonzo. You can't walk this one back."

While the Lakers front office, coaching staff and players have not turned on their rookie teammate for his father's indiscretions, a league source said, they are not happy about them.

"They are frustrated that he can't stand up to his dad, but they really like him," the source said.

Lonzo separating himself from his dad is the solution to everything, several league executives said.

"The kid could stop all of it," the VP said. "All he has to say to the media is, 'He doesn't speak for me. If you want to talk about the Lakers, speak to me, don't speak to my dad.'"

The Eastern Conference GM went a step further. He also sees Lonzo standing on his own as essential to him reaching his full potential as a player.

"If the kid is ever going to be a real player that is taken seriously, he will have to put his dad on ice," he said. "My guess is it will take a number of years before that happens."

For now, only a talent of Lonzo's caliber would make putting up with LaVar worthwhile, the top executive of a Western Conference team told B/R.

"Are you more valuable than your problems?" the executive said. "With Lonzo, he's probably more valuable. ... The more narrow the gap in talent, the more you look at other factors. If a guy is a late first-round pick, are you willing to take on the same problems? Probably not."

"How different would [Lonzo's] path be if he wasn't having to put up with this bulls--t?" one longtime Western Conference GM said.

Part of Lonzo's problem stems from his sometimes passive play, which has been striking considering his role as the team's primary playmaker. If the Lakers are disturbed about anything in regard to Lonzo, it's that, sources say. Some of his hesitancy can be attributed to woeful shooting—34.9 percent overall, 29.8 percent from three-point range, 48.0 percent from the free-throw line—that has produced the lowest point production per shot among the Lakers' top 10 rotation players. (He's the only one scoring less than a point per shot, per ESPN.)

The aforementioned Eastern Conference GM attributes some of Lonzo's passivity to LaVar's outspokenness.

"The dad has verbally fought all his fights for him," he said. "The kid is in the habit of retreating and saying, 'OK, I guess he's got this.' The parent is trying to out-do the kid. You could argue that LaVar is a bigger name than Lonzo. There's a tragedy in that, and we're watching it unfold."

"Whatever Lonzo's ceiling is as a player, he's going to have to divorce himself from his father if he's going to reach it," he said. "That act is going to wear out. His teammates are going to get tired of it. This isn't AAU basketball. Lonzo is going to have to cut him loose."

"If you were going to find a pair to deal with someone like LaVar, you couldn't find a better one than Rob and Magic," the executive said. "Rob has been dealing with the temperamental friends and family members his entire life as an agent. Magic knows flash—what it's about, what it does. He and LaVar have a few things in common. Rob and Magic are perfectly capable of dealing with someone like LaVar." (Neither Johnson nor Pelinka could be reached for comment.)

Multiple executives across the league expected Johnson and Pelinka would eventually replace Walton, largely because he was the choice of their predecessors, not theirs. If they do now, though, Magic and Pelinka look like they're bowing to LaVar, who already has presented himself as the de facto GM, all but guaranteeing the Lakers would draft Lonzo and that LiAngelo and LaMelo will soon join him.

There are also indications that players around the league have taken note, souring their view of the Lakers as a free-agency destination. One Eastern Conference executive overheard his players saying they had no interest in going to the Lakers "and having some old man criticize us and the team."

"This is a tough one for Rob," the Eastern Conference VP said. "There isn't a page to turn to in the handbook that tells you how to handle this."

The Lithuanian experiment hasn't earned LaVar any admirers in the NBA, either. Two executives spoke from the perspective of being fathers as well as talent evaluators.

"The dad is a clown," said the Eastern Conference GM. "A full-fledged, certified clown. I feel bad for the kids. You pull your 16-year-old out of high school and you send him to Lithuania? Do you think the kid had a say in that?"

Said an Eastern Conference team president: "LaVar would be a hard one to accept. When you're front and center because of your kid's success, that's wrong to me."

The rival Pacific Division GM sees the entire Ball operation feeding off of Lonzo's success alone.

"I have a great deal of empathy for the kids," he said. "I feel sorry for them. This is working for Lonzo, but let's say, best-case scenario, he has a double-digit career—what happens after that? Is LaVar putting all three kids in a position to succeed? Is this about developing the kids or building up the brand?"
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WTH .... Bucher is lurking here and ripping my LB thoughts on LaVar the a-Hole. And do note for any left of you who think it's harmless and just ignore him .....

"There are also indications that players around the league have taken note, souring their view of the Lakers as a free-agency destination. One Eastern Conference executive overheard his players saying they had no interest in going to the Lakers "and having some old man criticize us and the team" The old man is literally jerking with the multi million dollar plans of his son's employer.

All riding on the back of Lonzo while the old man screwed his younger two kids out of at least a partial college education at UCLA. Hell he ripped the last 2 years of HS from LaMelo. Jack**!!

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Yeah, you could argue LaVar is a bigger name than Lonzo. That’s why LaVar is top 10 in all star guards voting. Yawn.

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WTH .... Bucher is lurking here and ripping my LB thoughts on LaVar the a-Hole. And do note for any left of you who think it's harmless and just ignore him .....

"There are also indications that players around the league have taken note, souring their view of the Lakers as a free-agency destination. One Eastern Conference executive overheard his players saying they had no interest in going to the Lakers "and having some old man criticize us and the team" The old man is literally jerking with the multi million dollar plans of his son's employer.

All riding on the back of Lonzo while the old man screwed his younger two kids out of at least a partial college education at UCLA. Hell he ripped the last 2 years of HS from LaMelo. Jack**!!
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Because they aren’t good enough. Still combined 0-7, so they were scoreless.

Nothing fake about that.

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Hmmm. Good for them. Did they drop down to the junior competition again for that game? Some of those guys were Melo's size. Still they apparently were hitting their shots.

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Is this comparable to G League level ball? This family is all about hype now, except for Zo. Remains to be seen what NBA teams, if any, will fall for it because that’s what this show is all about now.

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this is high school scrub level. not even AAU is reality. Gelo should have 50.

Against men they had goose eggs.

I'm sure it will get better, but I can't imagine projecting their draft stock against that level of competition. Gelo will have to develop something amazing, or being in the G league is a pipe dream.

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