Luol Deng Discussion: No #Dengdump, Rather Stretched Into Cash

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  1. alam1108

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    I'm pretty sure we've been actively looking to trade him for a long time now.
     
    alam1108, Nov 6, 2017
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    Luke has no time for Deng? No one has time for Deng man.
     
    karacha, Nov 6, 2017
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    I think he'll be eventually be packaged with Julius. The ability to retain his Restricted Free Agent status will play a big role for some teams.

    As much as people like Julius' dynamic play, he just isn't a fit with his inability to spread the floor effectively.

    If we can get back a small ball PF/C that can either spread the floor or defend the paint, that would be amazing.
     
    lakerfan2, Nov 6, 2017
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    It's going to take at least a first round pick to get rid of his salary.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Nov 6, 2017
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    I'm kind of digging the value of our draft picks because of our scouting team. I'm not in a hurry to give away all kinds of draft picks actually LOL
     
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    lol Kupcrap
     
    KareemtheGreat33, Nov 6, 2017
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    That would be great IMO if we could hang onto Randle and go after PG and retain BroLo and Zo, Ingram and Kuzma. We're building something here that's starting to seem pretty damn nice. With PG we have the main attraction draw for other FAs, along with budding stars in Zo, Kuzma and Ingram. Do we really need mondo 4 year contract, 34 year old, one major injury away from doing major damage to the franchise again LBJ too? Love having BroLo here to lock down the 5 issue solid.
     
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    yes the plan is working, now to find that sucker...ooh i mean smart gm thats looking for that vet presence lol
     
    Khmrp, Nov 6, 2017
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    randle is the only one i'm fine with packaging in a deal to dump deng

    i wouldn't like it but if that's what it takes then whatever
     
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    also best way to avoid using a young player is to take back someone who either makes less and or less yrs with a 1st and or 2nd rders then we stretch the guy we get
     
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    Deng, Clarkson and a pick for

    Bledsoe and contract to make it work


    Thoughts ??
     
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    we shouldnt trade jc, hes vital to our bench
     
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    no way pho does that, i do deng/1st for chandler, find a taker for chandler later or stretch chandler, cheaper to do so
     
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    Man, I would do that trade so fast, you would think I was The Flash.
     
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    Playing Deng some minutes would theoretically help us to move his contract. But in this system, it'll probably just bring down whatever value he does have left.

    We're a team that pushes the pace. So far, the only player who is "slow" and plays in our system is Lopez, simply because he has the half-court skills to bail us out if we get stuck in the mud.

    Deng doesn't provide speed and he doesn't provide the necessary half-court skills (post-up moves, outside shooting) to help in half-court situations.
     
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    No. Bledsoe is injury-prone. He's only played more than 70 games 3 times in the seven seasons he's played so far.

    JC can be infuriating at times, but he's never had a problem staying healthy and ready to play.

    I know getting rid of Deng's contract is tempting, but he'll only have two more years left after this season, so using the stretch provision won't be so painful.
     
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    Ranked options:

    1) trade Deng and someone not named Kuzma, Ball, or Ingram for an expiring contract and/or a pick. (Zubac could be an excellent trade addition)
    2) reach a buy-out with Deng for less than the amount that is due him (7.4 million over 5 years). Something like 3-4 million over 5 years is more manageable.
    3) trade Deng for a contract that's "less bad" than his.
    4) attach an actual, strong asset like Kuzma or Ingram and get back a strong return a la the Russell trade.

    I would love either 1 or 2, but 1 seems really unlikely. It's more likely there's some combination of 1 and 2 where we include a solid young asset with Deng in order to get back something of marginal value like a protected 1st. I'd still be okay with that because we've got plenty of young kids to build around and I want to feed this scouting department at least one 1st round pick a year.
     
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    Worst signing ever. Also, he can be bought out? What does that look like with the cap and such, I assumed he could only be stretched because there’s no get out of jail free card for that contract. Aside from that, I don’t even want to trade Randle and JC to get rid of Deng at the momen, we’re winning and they’re a big part of that. I guess if it’s the only way I get it, but I’d hope we could hold off til the deadline or something, I don’t even know anymore. I guess we can afford to lose 1 of Randle or JC, but damn I don’t want to lose our entire bench scoring to dump this bum.
     
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    Are you trying to get banned? Because that's how you get banned.
     
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    As I understand it, a buy-out works like a stretch in that whatever the buy-out agreement is has to operate like his contract is being waived which would ultimately result in a stretch.

    For instance if he were to be stretched right now, he'd be at around 7.4 million per year on our books for 5 years (using his numbers if he were waived in the summer, it's worse I think if he's waived right now). He's due 36+ million over the next two seasons. If we could get him to agree to a 20 million dollar buy-out, then that's 4 million every year for 5 years which is far more manageable. I'm about 85% sure that's how it works. Of course, that's getting his contract way, way down. I don't know many people who would give up 16 million just to feel better about their professional life.

    Of course in that BS article Shelburne wrote, Deng says it's not about the money. Well then go ahead and refund your entire contract. I'd respect you more as a human being if you did that instead of bleeding us dry like Nash did.
     
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