Julius Randle Discussion: MIP

Discussion in 'NBA Discussion' started by therealdeal, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. LTLakerFan

    LTLakerFan - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    36,404
    Likes Received:
    60,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    So Cal
    Offline
    Now there you go ..... a little nuance mixed in .....
     
  2. sirronstuff

    sirronstuff - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    31,602
    Likes Received:
    76,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Your time is running out Ham
    Location:
    Laker Purgatory
    Offline
    What if those clips were the highlights of all his workouts, and that's as good as it gets?

    [​IMG]
     
    Purp n Gold and abeer3 like this.
  3. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    12,084
    Likes Received:
    13,820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Like i said then, the whole team from last yr need the boot, every one from that team cant shoot worth a lick, the best shooter out of all of them have already been traded (russell)
     
  4. SFGOLDRUSHER

    SFGOLDRUSHER - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    3,094
    Likes Received:
    2,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master Optimist.
    Location:
    San Diego
    Offline
    Lopez,KCP,Kuzma?
     
  5. Jaguar

    Jaguar - Lakers 6th Man -

    Joined:
    May 26, 2016
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    3,474
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Offline
    If Kuzma works out, and probably even if he doesn't, Julius is gone. I just have that feeling that it is inevitable.
     
    OX1947 likes this.
  6. SFGOLDRUSHER

    SFGOLDRUSHER - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    3,094
    Likes Received:
    2,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master Optimist.
    Location:
    San Diego
    Offline
    Pretty much my gut feeling as well.
     
  7. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    12,084
    Likes Received:
    13,820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Key word there is "last yr team"
     
    sirronstuff likes this.
  8. SFGOLDRUSHER

    SFGOLDRUSHER - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    3,094
    Likes Received:
    2,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master Optimist.
    Location:
    San Diego
    Offline
    My bad..didnt mean to butt in. But hes talking about just Randle. Not the rest of the team. Except maybe Clark cause i believe hes not really a fan lol.
     
  9. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    12,084
    Likes Received:
    13,820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Zone affects everyone, shooters around randle also helps beat zone one
     
  10. OX1947

    OX1947 - Lakers MVP -

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2016
    Messages:
    8,276
    Likes Received:
    17,604
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    Fundamentals and BB IQ are big parts of winning basketball. Discipline and focus also help.
     
  11. Khmrp

    Khmrp - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2016
    Messages:
    12,084
    Likes Received:
    13,820
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    If you think teams need to run zone to prevent randle from being effective it means hes killing it inside, most team run zone for 2 season, one is to prevent a dominant inside presence from being effective or the other they dont respect you as a TEAM from the perimiter IMO. So if team running zone, it shouldnt be squarely on killing randle, the team as whole is failing
     
    sirronstuff likes this.
  12. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,019
    Likes Received:
    75,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Online
    it's not just pure zone; it's the zone principles now incorporated in all defenses that have hurt players who aren't intelligent ball-movers. if randle were a shooter, that would be one thing. but being a non-shooter and non-ball mover is a problematic combination. we see some similar issues with clarkson, who's not enough of a shooter as a guard to overcome his non-threat as a passer when he's not on the dribble.

    oddly, i thought russell was one of our only young players who was willing to make the right pass, despite the rep he gained as a gunner. randle and clarkson want to make passes off the drive and/or to guys who are in position to shoot. only star talent gets away with that mentality (harden is a prime example), and even then, good defenses beat those guys.
     
    lakerfan2 and Purp n Gold like this.
  13. sirronstuff

    sirronstuff - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    31,602
    Likes Received:
    76,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Your time is running out Ham
    Location:
    Laker Purgatory
    Offline
    since these kids are skipping college, it's not something they see much or have played against

    I would imagine it takes awhile to adjust once they see the new wrinkles
     
  14. Purp n Gold

    Purp n Gold - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    889
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Cool Ranch
    Offline
    I think Randle will do fine in his new role this year. I'm not convinced that he's DUMB out there, he has shown he can make intelligent basketball plays. I think he had far too much offensive responsibility on a team that had little to no firepower, especially when Lou left.

    Randle the "point forward" making decisions with the ball all game - that is not a comfortable thought. But Randle filling the lane while Ball pushes? I think he'll be great. Randle is now the 4th (or even 5th?) on the "depth chart" of sorts, when it comes to ball handlers on this squad. Last summer all the talk was developing Randle into a version of Draymond. But with Ball & KCP, and even Ingram emerging as a ball handler, Randle's role has changed considerably in the offense. Considering Lebron 2018 and all the roster moves that might come with it, I'm sure Randle is just dead set on being productive this year to help improve his stock. I would not be surprised if he got to 15/10 this year.
     
    SamsonMiodek and abeer3 like this.
  15. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,019
    Likes Received:
    75,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Online
    the question is whether randle can play as a 4th/5th option. he's never done it. he's shown very little ability to slash in the half court off the ball.

    his best role might be as a possession-using sixth man type. until he shows he can play off the ball effectively, at least.
     
    Purp n Gold likes this.
  16. Purp n Gold

    Purp n Gold - Rookie -

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2015
    Messages:
    889
    Likes Received:
    2,819
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Location:
    Cool Ranch
    Offline
    I agree with you, playing off the ball is a legit concern for Randle. He'll never reach his potential if that part of his game doesn't develop. However the "4th/5th option" comment I made was mostly in regards to him being a ball handler for this squad.

    As a scoring option in the starting lineup, I think he'll have plenty of opportunities. With Lopez in the fold, I think the geometry works out to favor Randle, granted that Randle spends more time in the paint this season. While he showed flashes, unfortunately Randle was never ready to play as a perimeter player (or point forward, whatever) at the NBA level.

    I'm subscribing to the idea that a lessened, more focused role stands to benefit Randle the most at this stage of his career.

    If he can knock down the 3 now, even better. Right now, it's hard to see him showcasing that skill, mostly bc he's not an intelligent off-the-ball perimeter player. But I really want to see him as a physical paint presence, as a way to get involved in the game without the ball. Combined with some crafty interior passing, I really believe he can be a problem down there - not in the future, but this season.
     
    abeer3 likes this.
  17. abeer3

    abeer3 - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    28,019
    Likes Received:
    75,599
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Online
    he is a good interior passer, i'll give him that.
     
    Purp n Gold likes this.
  18. wallangong

    wallangong - Lakers 6th Man -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    1,607
    Likes Received:
    4,870
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Offline
    man I can't wait for the season to start and Julius does the impossible and shows that a 22 year old kid does indeed have the chance to improve his game. It's never been done before because everyone knows that you are what you are at 22, but I can't wait to see it happen.
     
    tada, Khmrp, OmarE and 8 others like this.
  19. sirronstuff

    sirronstuff - Lakers Legend -

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2014
    Messages:
    31,602
    Likes Received:
    76,895
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Your time is running out Ham
    Location:
    Laker Purgatory
    Offline
    [​IMG]
     
    abeer3, LTLakerFan and wallangong like this.
  20. SFGOLDRUSHER

    SFGOLDRUSHER - Lakers Starter -

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2014
    Messages:
    3,094
    Likes Received:
    2,181
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master Optimist.
    Location:
    San Diego
    Offline
    Im definitely not counting out Randle having a chance to stay on and come off the bench when hopefully we sign the big dogs next year.
     

Share This Page