D'Angelo Russell Discussion: Adopting A Professional Attitude

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  1. svtzr

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    There are some key differences (I've had PRP and Orthokine).

    For cyclists, they take out a large amount of blood from their system which has huge amounts of oxygen rich red blood cells and other muscle repairing proteins as they are following specific training cycles. When they are competing in events, they will hook themselves up to the bags (Litres) of the stuff they had previously taken out of their own body - which is why it's known as blood doping.

    I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty of what the oxygen rich red blood cells do to recovery, but its immense - some of these guys will ride over a hundred miles in a day and wake up in the morning as fresh as if they didn't work out after this blood transfusion. If you've ever been really hungover and hooked yourself up to a high level oxygen diving tank, you'll understand how quickly you can recover - it's a comparable effect for cyclists.

    The body heals itself by way of blood cells. Now PRP is useful in areas that have low or no blood flow as they believe it can heal the mechanical parts of the joint as an invasive procedure. Think the interior parts of cartilage, bones & certain ligaments that don't receive any blood flow. As stated, they take your own blood and spin it to seperate all the parts, until they get the body's natural healing platelets. Then they inject a needle of the stuff into your problem area, that has little to no blood flow to allow it to promote healing. It's quite different to doing a blood transfusion to recover with inhuman speed (1 day to fully recover with something that should affect you for week or more).

    Orthokine is different once again (what Kobe got in Germany), it's similar to PRP but they are using a different part of the blood, which they manipulate by heating to deliver a better anti-inflammatory solution. The difference to PRP is they are not trying to heal the joint as much as they are trying to lower inflammation - which can be very useful to minimise pain. It's not currently available in the US I believe as there hasn't been enough testing on its safety.
     
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    I understand all of that.

    What I don't understand is why blood doping is so awful, but a PRP/Orthokine treatment is not. I understand both procedures, but I'm confused on the way sports approaches them. I think @Savory Griddles 's analogy works best, but I just find it all odd where sporting bodies draw the line and then where different countries draw the line. So little is uniform in determining what's cheating (ask NBA guys and then ask NFL guys or the MMA guys etc). I guess it's a separate discussion but I wasn't really making my point clearly. I still might not be... Been a long few months.
     
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    Thought it could be helpful to list some key differences on blood-doping/PRP/Orthokine :)

    It's hard to say why they are viewed in different ways. But for me I look at the degree of invasion/change.

    PRP is pretty small, it's your own blood injected into a place in your body where it can't get to very easily. If the injury was on the exterior of a knee cartilage or bone bruise for example it might not be necessary at all.

    Blood doping is a high degree, some of these guys can transfuse all of their blood. There is no natural way that could occur without the treatment and the recovery they get is considered excessive to the point of being labelled cheating.
     
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    Don't count on any professional bodies to make consistent judgments about what is cheating and what isn't. On one hand it's hard. On the other hand, incentives will always tempt people with power.
     
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    what i've learned here is that oxygen diving tanks can cure my hangovers.

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    Exactly, the second I read that I didn't even finish the rest and was off to Slickdeals to see if they had on oxygen tank deals for cyber monday.
     
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    Haha for real, it helps. The oxygen helps break down the alcohol faster and relieves headaches and nausea - just take up scuba diving and you're good haha!
     
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    No you're absolutely on point and it was a great breakdown. I'm just realizing how poor my communication skills are on here lately. I've been too busy to give my full attention.

    You're right. True blood doping is different. I just think if you're enhancing ways to heal your body by taking blood out, spinning it, and injecting it back, then you're boosting something in your body that while naturally occurring, is unlikely to occur. And yet something like HGH or even creatine is considered cheating even though both of those things occur naturally in your body, you're just adding more to it. I understand one is performance enhancing and one is healing, but a lot of body builders and many athletes use HGH and/or steroids to heal faster not necessarily build muscle faster so... It just seems like a gray area to me.
     
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    ^^^ gray area :p
     
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    Well they said he was feeling better lol.. y'all knee talk definitely killed my high haha.
     
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    Stats from GoldenThroat - Comparison this year vs. last year.

    Points per 36

    2015-16 = 16.8
    2016-17 = 21.7

    True Shooting Percentage

    2015-16 = 50.7%
    2016-17 = 53.4%

    Usage Rate

    2015-16 = 24.1%
    2016-17 = 28.6%

    Assists per 36

    2015-16 = 4.2
    2016-17 = 6.5

    Turnovers per 36

    2015-16 = 3.1
    2016-17 = 4.0

    Assist to Turnover Ratio

    2015-16 = 1.36
    2016-17 = 1.62

    Rebounds per 36

    2015-16 = 4.4
    2016-17 = 4.6

    Steals per 36

    2015-16 = 1.5
    2016-17 = 1.8

    BPM

    2015-16 = -1.8
    2016-17 = +0.7

    RPM

    2015-16 = -3.66
    2016-17 = +0.79

    Win Shares Per Minute

    2015-16 = .001
    2016-17 = .056
     
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    Looks like he finally learned more than 40% of the play book

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    ..... my 80s teams woulda eaten him alive.
     
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    DLO looking lean in this commercial.

     
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    On a positive note, something I notice while he's on the bench is he's listening to someone next to him a lot. He's not just sitting there in silence at the end of the bench. Last night for example I saw Calderon talking to him and pointing at the court a lot, and I saw Deng doing it some as well, so he must be asking questions and picking the brains of these vets.
     
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    You can see our frontcourt is struggling a lot offensively without DAR and his shots creation coming from both his skills and the attention he's drawing from opponents
     
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    Nah. He's limited. Not a PG. Injury plagued. Scrub.
     
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    ^ soft too...
     

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