Jeremy Lin Discussion 2014-2015

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  1. thkthebest

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    I took a look at the stats for this. Here are the results:

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    Per 36
    Lin w/  Ed:  16.6 ppg,  6 apg,  4.6 rpg,  60.6 TS%
    Lin w/o Ed:  12.8 ppg,  6 apg,  2.9 rpg,  54.1 TS%
    Surprisingly, Lin's assists stays about the same, but he scores more points and becomes more efficient. Lin did say he prefers working with bigs that roll instead of staying back and shooting jumpers, which isn't surprising considering he had Tyson and Dwight in the past. That's not all though. He tends to be much more aggressive when Ed Davis is on the court.

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    Shots from within 5 feet of the basket
    Lin w/  Ed:  45.8%  of FGA
    Lin w/o Ed:  27.9%  of FGA
    Nearly half of his shots come from within 5 feet from the basket with Ed Davis on the court while only about a quarter of his shots come from within 5 feet from the basket without Ed. This explains his increase in efficiency. He nearly doubles his free throw attempts and shots around the basket.
     
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    ^^ Good find. It still matches the eye test. Lin plays better with Davis and vice versa. The best lineup I can see for us is Lin and Davis with the other starters. Price just isn't good enough. Kobe playing PG is too much wear and tear I think.
     
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    Where does Kobe fit into those numbers? Is he on or off the court when those two play together most often?

    I would think it's mostly with Kobe off the court meaning Lin is more aggressive. When Lin plays more aggressively he gets to the rim. I'm not saying Lin/Davis aren't better together because they clearly are. I'm just trying to figure if Lin plays better just because he's WITH Davis or because he's WITH Davis and WITHOUT Kobe.
     
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    Hmm...hard to say. I don't really have a breakdown for that.

    But Lin rarely plays without Kobe. He only plays about 3.3 mpg without Kobe. When Lin and Davis were on the floor together, Kobe was also on the floor about 70% of the time.
     
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    Well that's encouraging. I would love to see him get aggressive just once. Just one game where he gets to the rim and finishes every 3rd possession. I mean really when he gets a mind for it, he gets to the rim. It's that simple.
     
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    I know advanced stats arent everything but I wonder if we have a guy like that in the Laker's organization. Because it appears we don't. A lot of things these stats show are what we see but it doenst seem like the coaching staff see's it.

    The numbers show he's one of our best catch and shoot players. He should be out there spreading the floor spreading the floor if you want Kobe playing PG, Byron. Not, useless Price.

    Regarding Lin's agression, he does attack. His problem is either he's not finishing (or just not getting the call), or he's attacking with the sole purpose of passing. By that I mean he attacks, leaves his feet, looks for a pass which is no longer there, and turns it over. During his linsanity phase, I rarely saw this.
     
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    Lakers were the only NBA team without a single representative at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference in 2013. Half the league had SportVU cameras in 2012. Lakers didn't. Lakers started looking into analytics around 2012ish (behind the rest of the league). I am also assuming that because they're so slow to change that they don't put as much faith into it than the other teams as the other teams like the Spurs, Heat, Rockets, Thunder, Mavericks, etc. do (all teams who have embraced advanced stats).

    Also, during that Linsanity phase, people were still figuring him out. He also had D'Antoni. Lin praised D'Antoni a lot and credited him a lot for his success. He called D'Antoni an offensive genius. Things like that help when it comes to running an offense. Byron is really trying to get our defense on track and said that he's not worried about the offense. I can't blame him for that since our defense is terrible, but it does hurt the offense. I guess he's relying on Kobe to carry the offense until the defense starts to step up.

    Lin had Novak to spread the floor. He had Tyson to dump the ball to. Over here, he doesn't have that same spacing or freedom. If he wants to dump it to a big, it's a Boozer clank as opposed to a Tyson dunk. I remember Rubio picking up on these tendencies though, and he really made Lin work.

    He then went to the Rockets, where they preach 3s, layups, and fts. He came over here, and Kobe basically told him that he needs to work on his pull up midrange jumper because we need Lin to create more, and he won't be able to do that without a consistent pull up jumper.
     
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    I'm not going to rag on Lin for that mental mistake at the end of the game. He shouldn't have been cooled off; he should have been in the game.

    14 points, 8 dimes, 2 boards, and a block for the Linch Mob.
     
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    Price is giving us absolutely NOTHING. Grant it, he only played 17 minutes, but maybe there's a scenario where you could start Clarkson and bring Lin in around the 8 minute mark...stagger his minutes/increase his minutes to 37-38...there has to be a solution of some kind.

    Good game today by the way...
     
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    Lin is so humble in his interviews. He just said we played pretty good for a team full of toilet paper lol. Lin needs more Swag in his interviews, maybe Swaggy or Meta could write something for him.

    Byron took you out too soon. You came back and made us all look like armchair coaches. Good on you. You have faith in God, trust in him and trust yourself.
     
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    I'm so far in the Clarkson camp I'd have to drive for days to leave it.
     
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    Clarkson has to bring the ball up; give it to Kobe. LOL. Go stand in a corner and space the floor...that's it.
     
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    He played very well tonight. Honestly I was worried he'd shrink a little after that Kobe trash talking, but just the opposite, he seemed to take it as a challenge. Very nice to see in a big road game.
     
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    Good Lord if he could just play this way all the time! Great game. Good job kid.
     
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    Lin's problem is simply he doesn't have the absolute confidence that he can make the play. This kid can get in the paint at will and is amazingly strong around the rim. He makes the smart play when he decides to make the plays. Kobe is right to yell at him to play because he has the skills. I think coming off the bench was the best move for him. He played very well today. Yes he should of hit Wes in the corner but it was a split second and he got the assist on the game winner so right choice made I think.
     
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    Price as a starter is just horrid. We started the game down by 10 for almost the first four minutes.
     
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    lin played some solid d last night. part of it was that parker didn't look quite right, but lin kept him in front, which is a chore.

    still don't get scott going completely pg-less for stretches...
     
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    Sure would have been nice if Lin could do math late in games
     
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