Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

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  1. tada

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    I just want him to develop slowly. He doesn't have the atleticism of KD. He doesn't have the bone density and frame of KD either. His body type is much closer to Prince/Livingston, and the worst that could happen is what happened to Livingston.
     
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    If BI is supposed to become our best player in a few years (i still think Dlo will be better) and he ends up Prince 2.0...
    God save the Lakers :p
     
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    He needs to learn to shoot more or he'll end up as Derrick McKey.... who is McKey? yeah exactly...
     
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    All I'm saying is we shouldn't rush his development :) That's part of the reason why we got Luol.
     
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    You'd think his initials were B.O.
     
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    Didn't mean to single you out. I'm too sensitive. :Blink:
     
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    I remember clearly. Durant is in college was thin. Ingram is thinner, borderline frail.
     
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    i don't have time right now, but i think durant's weight was pretty low, like in ingram territory, despite being a couple inches taller. i remember being concerned with his frame back then.

    the big differences, to me, are:

    1. lateral quickness--neither guy is super quick, but durant had a better first step and moved a little better defensively (but not much on that end).
    2. finishing--even young durant thunder dunked in traffic. ingram looks like he doesn't want to get all the way to the basket on drives, and he really doesn't want to jump off one foot yet. i understand that, given his size, but that's the only way you can finish powerfully after you've gotten a step on the defense.
    3. quickness of release--durant has always gotten that thing off in a hurry; ingram's got a slower load up.
    4. long range accuracy--durant came into the league hitting the longball and making it look rather effortless.

    it is for these reasons that i ask people to let this comparison go for now. despite the physical dissimilarity, i'm open to comparisons to kawhi leonard (games are similar to me) moreso than durant. i think rich man's prince is a nice, safe place to start, though. or how about more perimeter-oriented andrei kirilenko? i'm happy with all of these things.
     
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    Durant had a much stronger lower body/base out of college. Hence the difference in perceived quickness, athletism, etc.
     
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    Did you watch much of Ingram in college? He wasn't aggressive their either from a scoring standpoint.

    In one more college game Durant hoisted 163 more shots in college than Ingram did scoring 279 more points.
    Durant took 86 more free throws.
    Durant had 146 more rebounds.
    Durant did all of this in 9 more minutes college minutes played.

    Now Tayshaun Prince is a little harder to compare his college numbers because he went to school for four years, but if you accept our premise as "A better Tayshaun Prince" than maybe we should just compare the final year for Tayshaun? Compare a senior in college to a freshman. Here's two stat lines, one of which is Ingram as a freshman and one of which is Prince as a senior:

    Player A: 624 points, 244 rebounds, 72 assists, 41 steals, 49 blocks, 72 turnovers, 484 FGa, 44.2 FG%, 41 3P%, 68.2 FT%, 32 games, 1067 minutes
    Player B: 560 points, 202 rebounds, 52 assists, 34 steals, 43 blocks, 64 turnovers, 441 FGa, 46.7 FG%, 34 3PT%, 70.3 FT%, 36 games, 1246 minutes

    Player A: 13.4 FGa per game, 17.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.4 bpg, 34.6 minutes per game
    Player B: 13.8 FGa per game, 17.5 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 1.6 apg, 1.1 spg, 1.3 bpg, 33.3 minutes per game

    Tell me which player is which and then tell me those don't look similar.
     
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    You also got to take into account that Durant was the sole operator at Texas. The offense went through him.

    Ingram played through a team system with Duke, that rarely featured anyone on offense. Even Okafor at Duke only averaged 17ppg, despite being the imposing player that he was at the collegiate level.

    It took quite awhile for Coach K to break in BI and force the issue with him, which is what we're seeing Luke do. Once Coach K got through, Ingram became a different player.

    Another thing we need to understand is that Ingram played point guard in high school before his enormous growth spurt, so naturally, he has those skills, which separates him from a lot of players his size.

    It's okay to be comparing to players we've already seen, but we've barely scratched the surface with this kid. KD is a lofty comparison, but I think the Prince comparison could be just his floor. His ceiling is much higher than that and we just have to give Luke time to bring it out of him.
     
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    But that's the point that people invoking Prince's name are making. Prince is a great start for a 19 year old kid. It's, if anything, a tremendous compliment. I don't think he'll ever have the same mindset of Durant, but if he can be a more effective and more assertive version of Tayshaun Prince, Brandon Ingram will be an All-Star.
     
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    Yes I watched Ingram in college and he played pretty much the same way he is NOW. He was kind of tentative like he has been to start the exhibition season, but as time went on and he got more comfortable he started to be more aggressive and Brandon has even said that.

    Like I said the two are nothing alike. That's just my opinion and Tayshaun was one of my favorite players. He was a professional personified, an incredible defensive player, a glue guy and ball mover and floor spacer on offense, and he was a great fit and huge reason Detroit was a perennial contender in their prime.

    To me Ingram has the potential to be an excellent defensive player in this league, but his offensive skill set is that of a guy who if he continues to develop can be a one of the best offensive players in the game and a guy who you can run your offense through. Like I said we just disagree. I never saw the Prince comparison. I just don't see that. Doesn't make me wrong or you wrong we just see this player differently. That's all. We'll see how Brandon's career unfolds.
     

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