Jeremy Lin Discussion 2014-2015

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  1. therealdeal

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    I still think he's too passive 90% of the time. He has the ability to get the basket almost at will and he doesn't. I don't like that.

    I also think he gets the least amount of respect from referees that I've ever seen. Honestly, it's worse than Kobe. Lin gets clobbered a lot and doesn't get the call compared to other guys who play similar styles and get whistles all the time (I always come back to Harden).
     
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    yep, he definitely is too passive most the time. i don't even notice him on the offensive end most times

    lin is not a star as myself and many others were led to believe
     
  3. LaVarBallsDad

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    You shouldn't have been expecting a star; he's above average point guard who is probably best served coming off the bench on a good team. In this particular game,he needed to be more assertive at times, but has a whole for the season, he's been decent.

    As I said in the WMC thread, I would have kept him in all if not most of that 4th quarter...it would have helped.
     
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    A lot of the time Byron takes him out when he finally starts rolling and playing well.
     
  5. therealdeal

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    Lin has been solid as SG next to Kobe at PG.
     
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    ^ not sure if serious.

    I didn't like that lin was relegated to full-on spectator tonight. in the second half, kobe was bringing the ball up the floor. this puzzles me. he's 36 and has never been a pg. at least have someone else get things started. I'm not a big lin fan (as a player--he seems like a nice guy and all), but you have to find a way to get him involved in the game, and giving the ballhandling duties to your primary scorer isn't it.
     
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    Wait, I am confused; I thought Kobe was a floor spacer all this time? :)
     
  8. therealdeal

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    I'm totally serious. Kobe is handling all of the PG duties right now. Obviously that's not ideal, but that's what's happening. He's bringing the ball up, creating for others. He had back-to-back games with 10+ assists while Lin had half as many. I'd rather Lin take more control, but clearly he's not going to.
     
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    I agree. Lin needs to assert himself. He's clearly afraid of Kobe. It doesn't make sense for Kobe to bring the ball up every game.
     
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    It doesn't make sense, but I'm guessing it has more to do with Byron than Lin or Kobe. If the coach tells Lin to run certain plays, then I'm fairly certain he will and Kobe will listen. Sometimes, Kobe can be domineering, but he's also willing to adapt his role. If he's trying to do too much, then the coach needs to tell him to settle down and let Lin run the show once in a while.

    Instead, Byron is resting Kobe in practice (an important aspect of the game) so that he (Byron) can squeeze out every ounce that he can get out of Kobe on the court. If Byron is telling Lin to run the show and he's not doing it, then it's on Lin, but is that what's happening?

    Also, if Byron is telling Lin to run the offense, he also needs to tell Lin how to do it. He can't just tell Lin, "Be aggressive" as if that will change things. He needs to explain how with Kobe on the floor. What does he need to do? What plays should he run? When should he do certain things?

    One reason why Nick Young is successful is because a good portion of his minutes come with Kobe on the bench. Over 40% of his minutes are when Kobe is on the bench. As a result, Young can feature himself more and get a rhythm going.

    Young per 36 with Kobe: 16.2 points, 0.2 assists
    Young per 36 without Kobe: 27.2 points, 1.4 assists

    Does that mean we're better with Kobe on the bench? No, but it is nice for ball handlers like Young or Lin to get some time out there to feature themselves. Unfortunately for Lin, he doesn't get that opportunity. For some reason, Byron always pairs Lin with Kobe. Lin spends about 2.5 minutes per game on the floor without Kobe.
     
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    Regardless of what Kobe was doing last game, how do you as an NBA starting PG go 0-fer. 0-10 shooting, don't even force the issue and try to get to the line for points? Unacceptable. Lin is bipolar, awesome game, terrible game, good game, bad game, repeat.
     
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    http://kfwbam.com/2014/12/04/wojnarowski-jeremy-lin-is-a-one-year-player-with-the-lakers/
     
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    Where are the per 36 w/ and w/out Kobe numbers from?
     
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    http://stats.nba.com/

    If you go to the comparisons tab, you can see a player's impact on another player. Lets say Player A is the left side and Player B is the right side. You would see how Player B affects Player A. So in this case, Nick Young would be Player A. Kobe would be Player B.

    From there, you can see Young's stats with Kobe on the floor and off. I think this was created to see how another defender affects a certain player like Tony Allen on Kobe. But, you can use it to see a teammate's effect as well.

    The stats aren't per 36 so you'll have to convert them. Young's TS% stays virtually the same with Kobe on or off (55.4 TS% with Kobe, 55.5 TS% without Kobe), but his USG% dips from 34.4 to 17.8.

    The same thing happens with Lin. Lin's TS% is 56.9% with or without Kobe, but his USG% dips from 31.9 to 17.5. Byron should try to find more minutes for Lin where he can initiate the offense without Kobe. Or at least, run some plays for him when Kobe is on the floor. Help the players find a rhythm and balance.
     
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    Essentially, it comes down to Kobe playing less minutes, in general. Not just because Lin get's time with Kobe off the floor, but a multitude of factors we already know. Longevity, fatigue over the course of a game, etc.
     
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    I agree with that too.
     
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    I think it's the wrong move. Booz I get. Lin I don't. I want to see Lin in with Ed Davis and the rest of the starters. That makes sense. Price does not.
     
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    Davis works best with Lin and vice versa... and what does Scott do? I'm not even mad at this point, all i can do is laugh.
     
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    I hear you...it's whatever at this point. Talent or no talent on this roster, Scott is just a horrible coach. He's just here as a placeholder. He'll be gone likely after 2-3 seasons.
     

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