Why Do Black People Think That Everything Is About Race?

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  1. Barnstable

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    I thought this article explains the topic from a black perspective in an excellent way.

    "It’s Not About Race!
    Why do Black people think that everything is about race?

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    This is a speech that I wrote for a local event. I thought I’d post it on Medium because it might help explain some context to white people.

    Recently, I was the only person of color in a discussion group about race.
    Always fun for us. During the first meeting, I introduced myself by saying that talks about race are emotional.

    “I speak with a lot of emotion,” I said, “and sometimes that emotion is anger. That should be allowed, because anger is a valid response to oppression. I’m not angry at you as an individual, but at a system of injustice.”
    Sometime later, a man said that he hoped we could “rise above emotions.” He wanted an “intellectual discussion” using logic so we could “really get to heart of the matter” without getting “derailed by emotions.”

    Now there is a heck of a lot of subtext there, and I really want you to understand it. But I need to lay a bit of foundation. So we’re going to step back in time a bit so I can explain how a guy beating up his cousin a thousand years ago still affects how we act differently in the dining room.


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    A long time ago, there was this French cat named William.
    One day, he jumped in a boat with a few hundred of his buddies and crossed the English Channel to pick a fight. That was when Norman France conquered Anglo-Saxon England.

    Now when you conquer a people, you gotta make damn sure they know you’re in charge. One of the best ways to do that is to make them speak your language. So French became the official language in England. Royalty spoke it, lawmakers spoke it. English was even outlawed in some areas. The French said their language was refined, proper, and that Anglo-Saxon was a crude, vulgar language of the unwashed rabble.

    Total scam, of course. Anglo-Saxon English was just as refined, as beautiful, and it was hella poetic. But Billy and his boys had to convince “those people” that the French were “better.” After awhile, the people started believing him.

    Here’s the crazy thing: We still do.
    A damn lot of our words in English come from this period, and pretty much all of them seem… more refined, proper. This is why we “dine” at a fine restaurant but “eat” at a Barbecue. This is why we “drink” a beer, but might “imbibe” a 30-year-old bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape.

    You need this to sink in: A dude makes up a bunch of crap about his cousin’s language to justify three generations of oppression, and a thousand years later we still believe him.


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    We still believe William the Conquerer due to a remarkable thing called culture.
    Culture is how we pass information about our world across generations. It’s why our children speak our language, it’s how they learn from us. Culture is why some humans eat with a fork, and some eat with chopsticks. Culture explains why someone standing really close while they talk to you might feel threatening to a European, but comforting to a West African. Culture defines what acceptable volumes are when speaking, and how women are expected to act in social situations.

    Culture defines all of our social expectations, but also our social prejudices. Every single thing we do and say, we do and say in the context of our culture.
    Now, making a culture normative — that is, it defines what is “normal” — is quite useful. The French used it well in England. Another time it was used was when West Africans were brought to this country as chattel slaves.

    The society here in America needed a way to justify the enslavement of a people for no other reason than they looked a bit different. Like the Normans, they used culture to do it. Slaves were made to speak English but were forbidden to read and write. In fact, the myth was promoted that they were slow and couldn’t even be taught.

    White people saw slaves as animals, apes or at best, “lesser humans.” They expected slaves to work like animals too — long, hard, and without complaint. Naturally, slaves rebelled, slowing work or feigning sickness. Blacks were seen by everyone as inherently lazy, and lazy Blacks were beaten or killed.

    White people expected slaves to be subservient — a particularly useful tactic since less than a quarter of whites actually owned slaves. Slaves had to do whatever any white person told them to do. This made all whites “better” than slaves, and supportive of the system.

    And there were the sexual controls. White men objectified and raped Black women at will, while promoting the myth that white women’s purity was threatened merely by the gaze of a Black man. This was particularly useful as a means to control both Black men and white women.

    All of these prejudices still reside in white culture.
    Antonin Scalia said that Blacks “should go to slower schools.” This is a US Supreme Court Justice, folks.

    Donald Trump said he believed that “Laziness is a trait in blacks.” This is a man running for president!

    A vegan activist Twitter account posted a picture comparing slaughtered pigs to lynched Black people. Leslie Jones rocked the Ghostbusters reboot and was immediately compared to an ape by racist trolls. Meanwhile Lena Dunham weaponized her white body against an innocent Black man because she felt insecure.

    And apparently countless Black men would not have gotten shot in the back if they had “just done what they were told to do.”


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    I think that much of this thinking is subconscious.
    Like thoughtlessly “dining” instead of “eating,” white people often carry prejudices about slavery without realizing it. That is why the white refrain of “slavery was a long time ago, get over it” falls on deaf Black ears. It’s not Black people holding on to slavery, it’s white people, carrying the prejudices in their culture.

    It’s a difficult problem to address. To paraphrase George Orwell, white people have prejudices about people of color because American culture has normalized whiteness, but the fact that people of color act “differently” further entrenches the “obvious correctness” of a white cultural norm.

    Why is it normal to eat with a fork instead of chopsticks?

    Why is it normal for a man to wear a suit to a business meeting instead of a loose, colorfully printed robe?

    Why is it normal to sit in a chair instead of on the floor?

    Why is a woman in a long gown and a bonnet accepted — archaic, perhaps, but accepted? Why is a nun wearing a black gown and habit accepted? Why is a woman in a burka and hijab somehow threatening?

    Why do we teach the way we do? Write our laws the way we do? In short, why is our society the way it is?

    All of these questions have the same answer: Because we live in a Western European society that was built by Western Europeans for Western Europeans to live in. This culture is so normative that most white people never have to think about it or even know it exists, because everything they do naturally fits the norm.

    Being normal makes everything else “abnormal”
    Damn near everything that Black people do is already outside the white norm. Black people talk too loud, they don’t do what they’re told, they “act out,” they stand too close, they have weird hair, they dress funny, they shake their butts too much (which is fine if Taylor Swift does it).

    When a white person says “It’s not about race,” they are pretty much always saying it when a Black person, or a Latino person, or a Muslim person is not acting the way a white European would act or wants them to act.

    And so Black women having fun get kicked off a wine tour for “acting disruptive” when they were doing the same thing White women do every day. But it’s not about race. If it’s not, then it’s about them not obeying the cultural expectations of white people — which amounts to the same damn thing.

    “If you see something, say something” works really well when everyone looks and acts the same way. When they don’t, you have an Italian mathematician getting kicked off a plane because a white woman is scared he’s an Islamic terrorist.

    All this simply because people of color have a different cultural foundation. Because they are not allowed to act within their culture.

    If a white person can still “dine,” can still carry the European culture of a thousand years ago, then surely a Black person can carry some West African culture of a few hundred years ago. Surely a Muslim can carry the culture of her parents.

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    This is the subtext I talked about.
    This is why I sat in a discussion group on race and was angry that a white man was telling me we should “rise above emotions” and “get to the heart of the matter” by talking about race intellectually and avoiding emotions.

    Why do we need to center a discussion about racism in the white cultural experience? Why do we need to communicate using Western cultural norms? So, we can talk about race, but we shouldn’t talk about race the way a Black person carrying West African culture would talk about it? We should avoid their anger and pain? It would be “better” to talk about it in a way that Western Europeans will be comfortable talking about it?

    In other words: “Let’s make sure everyone is speaking our language and knows who’s in charge.”
    And I’m sure he didn’t even know he was doing it, because he can’t see that white culture is normative. Every single thing white people do and say is done in the context of normative white culture, which they don’t have to think about.

    Why do Black people think everything is about race?
    Because everything a person of color does is done while knowing they are not part of normative white culture. We have to think about everything we do and every word we say. Am I saying this too loudly? Do I look like I might be stealing? If I complain about these working conditions, will they call me lazy? Why did this teacher tell me I can’t be an engineer when I’ve got a 3.8 GPA? Why am I being pulled over when I did nothing wrong?

    We think about this all the time — so much that it’s mostly unconscious by the time we’re teenagers. But we don’t talk about it because when a conflict comes up with a white person that is “not about race,” it would take too damn long to explain all of this to them. And we’d have to explain it over and over to every white person we meet hoping they will “get it.”

    And most of the time, they won’t get it. Most of the time, they can’t see their own culture, much less someone else’s, meaning they have no idea what the hell we’re talking about anyway. So either we get angry, or we just close our eyes, nod our heads, and say things like “Yeah, using the Socratic method to talk intellectually would probably be a good way for us to discuss systematic racism.”

    “Yeah, let’s do it your way.”"

    https://thsppl.com/its-not-about-race-fb140bac8f1#.wsj9rdoje

    It should be explained that this cultural normative expectation is not just exhibited by white people. If you're family has grown up in this country, over time, the cultural norms of this country become "the normal" to everyone to some degree. It's just that the idea that "it's best" to discuss race in a Western European manner is for no other reason than that's what often makes white people in this country most comfortable.
     
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    West Africans love giving each other cooties? Eewwww!

    Kidding aside, that's a very long but very informative article. I don't agree with all of it, because European culture is in many ways vastly different than American culture, so calling white people "Western European" is too simplistic, as is calling black people "West African". There are cultural differences to be sure, but there are also shared values too. Too often, the differences are overhyped, and the shared values overlooked, especially under duress.
     
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    We could always go into the minutia, but the point is that the base culture in the US comes from Western European roots and still shares their outlook on how to converse, what is important in life, etc... So all topics are approached as if the Western European way of conversing and solving problems is the best way to solve things, and that's what is valued as "correct" in the US.
     
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    Good perspective read
     
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    My 2 best friends (both black) and I were discussing the recent Hillary and Trump birther issue. One friend blamed it on racism and I said, "I can't wait until we have a white president so we can criticise without being called a racist." That bothered my friend, because to him, the birther issue is "race," whereas I view it as a case of "was he born here or not."

    This is a very good article and appreciate it being posted. Gives me a different perspective, worth considering.
     
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    That was an excellent read, a lot of stuff I hadn't even considered before. I feel a tiny bit more informed now, which is always a good thing.
     
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    Well written... BTW, I never "imbibed" but used to "chug" with regards to drinking. And who says "dine" anyway? That's like saying let's go to the "cinema" instead of the movies.
     
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    Yeah no one really talks that way, lol, but it is definitely evident in commercials advertising a "dining" experience or watching a "cinematic" production.

    At any rate, it was a good article that opened my eyes to respecting others' social behaviors--something people don't really talk about much.

    My only question then is what is white culture? If it's mostly made up of racism, what can they do to change it? How can they not ask others to "rise above emotions" while still maintaining their own identity? What is the white man's identity?? If Asians are allowed to ask for quietness, then whites can't because sometime in the past, whites did that as a part of being racist slave owners? Where do we draw the line? Does the author expect to exhibit his culture's normative behavior (and everyone else to do the same) in all other countries around the world?
     
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    Just understand that the white cultural way to do things isn't "the way" to do things, it's just "a" way to do things, and that other ways aren't invalid or wrong just because they are different.
     
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    I'd argue that certain things, like communicating with anger or beating ones child into compliance are objectively wrong regardless of culture or ethnicity.
     
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    But that wasn't implied. Every cultural norm isn't always valid. He was saying anger is a perfectly valid response to injustice, so the notion that we need to calm down and stop being angry at injustice in order to solve it is just one way to do it, not "the" way to do it.
     
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    oh ok I misunderstood. I agree with that. I thought he was saying an emotional communication style in general was just part of the black culture and who's to say that's wrong.
     
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    Obviously this is a very difficult topic. Very good read and something to definitely reflect about.

    All I can really say to it is racism is taught... when you take very young children of various cultures and place them in various conditions they don't view each other in that reality.

    That means there is hope. Articles like this that give another perspective allow others to learn themselves and reflect....... I do honestly believe that the tide has been changing....maybe slowly...too slowly..... but it is starting to change amongst younger people. There is always going to be a sense of nativism within a small percentage of any group of individuals.... but I do believe those with more of an open mind and a longing to get thru and understand are the majority....... it is up to that majority to be the louder voice....it is up to that majority to educate the next generation and the next generation after that.....

    When it comes to so called culture...... I believe it is overrated ....... culture is a language of devision whether that be by race or classes within a region ..... their will never be a complete reversal from racism or things of that nature until people stop trying to define themselves using the language of division. Culture is just that.
     
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    I agree. But it's not just parents and friends that teach it. Society teaches it. Studies show young children picking the white dolls as "pretty" (it was a study from the 60s, but recreated in early 00s and the findings were the same). Even black children pick the white dolls. They weren't taught by their parents that whites' are prettier. Society did. Magazines, videos, television. It's everywhere.
     
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    that is true...... but don't you think that is changing as well.....music/tv/advertising from the 70s...to the 80s....to the 90s.... are different from each other .....the way people get information is different ...... what is popular is different ...... it takes time for things to sink in and become the norm in such a paradox. I do believe the forte is in the huge demographic change that is happening ...... it won't be long before us older GenX and Boomers are the minority and I have a lot of faith in a much more educated and tech savvy youth that fat out don't have the same hang ups....they weren't raised from the 30s,40s and 60s generation...... I think in the long run there is going to be a huge affect ........ savvy to wedge politics that try and take advantage of this very issue....things will have a dramatic change I believe...... they will define the new norms soon enough .... our normal are very different from our parents and grandparents.... they too will have the opportunity to affect these norms.

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    ^^ Things are changing. In some ways good, some ways bad. I remember in the 70s there was a popular show called SOAP that was taken off the air because a character played by Billy Crystal was gay. Now that's nothing. We've improved in many social ways, but we don't talk anymore. If someone has a differing opinion, the masses shout them down instead of open dialog and using it as a teaching moment or looking for common ground. I blame a lot of that on technology / social media and the fact that 95% of the news media is owned by 3 companies.
     
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    oh absolutely! technology has it's pro's and cons.... and the instant gratification of twitter and other social tools that is demanded these days allows for sloppy and inaccuracies within information to those who trust it.

    as for the concentration of media...don't get me started lol
     
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    Or from experience. If, for example,if a kid went to a primarily black school, in a lower income area, and gets picked and beaten up all the time, it's conceivable that he negative ideas and thoughts of black people. When I was hanging out in the slums on the east coast, and getting ripped off, straight up robbed, etc from black people, it was sometimes hard to distinguish those thoughts from the black people honest and more upstanding people I had known.
     
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