L.a. County Raises Min Wage To $15/hr. Thoughts?

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    The city/county obviously feels that they can reap more sales tax revenue by raising the minimum wage. Afterall, wage increases have to come from somewhere.
     
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    It is going to run more than a few businesses out of the county.
     
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    Remember the last time you were at McDonalds and saw a teenager working there? Me either.

    Bad economy + minimum skills = minimum wage.

    You can't increase minimum wage and think it'll increase quality of life. Costs will go up. Simple math.

    California should look at Detroit and then contrast that with Texas. Democrats are great for social programs, but struggle with the economy.
     
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    Cost of living in LA is just so out of wack that you can't even live off of $15 an hour. Rent is just too damn high. This isn't going to do much good without the housing market getting back down to a reasonable level
     
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    That said, I wouldn't mind a slow roll-out to $10 or $11/hr. But $15 I think is a lot. I don't pretend to have a crystal ball. Maybe it could "stimulate" the economy and bring people out of food stamps, but with less jobs and higher costs to counter this increase, I don't see the pros outweighing the cons.
     
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    The minimum salary isn't the problem. The problems are already high taxes, high rent/mortgage costs, and a lack of appropriate jobs.

    This was a stupid move. Like John3:16 said: Democrats are good for social change, but terrible for economic decisions.
     
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    Nice. Raise the min. wage. Now, prices for everything else will go up along with it... It's a never ending cycle..

    It's like what was said before... min skills=min wage..

    Wanna make more? Go work in hard labor jobs, sure its hard work, but you get paid around 5-6 bucks more an hour... possibly even more.

    I hate to be insensitive, but working at mcdonalds, and fast-food joints is a teenager job... Its a job for a teenager who's attending highschool and looking to buy their own car or afford to go to prom on their own... Not grown adults with families.

    If people want more money? Put in the extra effort and work to learn a trade/skill...
    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are some who just had plain bad luck, or dealt a bad hand in life...

    But the Majority need to understand this basic formula (Min skills=Min Wage) period
     
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    He's just a rich guy who doesn't want to pay the little guy!
     
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    LOL I don't agree with a lot of what he has to say, but this seemed fitting.
     
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    So the person who is currently making 15 bucks an hour doing something that takes some skill, do they get a raise or do they make the same amount as the no-skill laborer? And if they get a raise to 20 bucks an hour (since they should make more than a dude flipping burgers) does the dude with a college degree and a little experience now get $25 instead of his $20? And the dude making $25, should he really be getting paid the same as the guy who was making $20 a second ago?
     
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    If you make minimum wage and your only way to get a pay increase is the minimum wage increase, I question your work ethic and/or long-term goals.

    In high school I made $3.35 an hour. Try raising a family on that! Oh wait, I didn't have a family, because I knew I couldn't afford one.
     
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    This discussion always seems so idealized to me from the conservative side with little regard for reality.

    Everybody is not smart. Everyone does not learn how to better themselves. Everyone does not figure out how to rise above the s*** cercumstances they were brought into. Everyone does not know how to act responsibly enough to improve their lot in life. People are a spectrum, and there can't be a top without some people on the bottom financially.

    There are a lot of people like that, and if the minimum wage isn't enough to maintain the bare minimum standards of life in the US, then what is it there for? I'm not even sure you can live on $15 an hour in LA without government assistance, but at least it's better than the $10 or so it was (last time I heard).
     
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    I can see where you and others may feel this way. I personally don't speak of the minimum wage issue as looking down on anyone or ignoring reality.

    As a therapist, I know people change when they are uncomfortable. Similar to adjusting your position while in a chair or in bed. If you're comfortable in your situation (life) you are less likely to change. But when a wife says "I want a divorce!" us men usually wake up and change. Or a teacher telling a student "you're going to fail" and they start studying and focusing more.

    If you're comfortable at minimum wage (job), all a wage increase it doing is putting a bandaid on a broken arm. It's not going to fix the real issue. Do we make the test in school easier because some people just aren't smart? Sadly, we do, but I argue that's not good for anyone. And giving more money for zero-skills jobs isn't helping either.

    Having said all of that, I want to stress that many (most) minimum wage jobs are hard. I worked one in high school and it sucked. I'm not looking down on anyone for having a minimum wage job or a low skill job. I'm saying I want better for them. A couple more dollars an hour gives them more spending power, but they are still in the same predicament (no knowledge of how to better their lives).
     
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    I guess my perspective is that minimum wage isn't comfortable and that if comfort is the top line where people start to get lazy or complacent, there is still the bottom line which is "can I pay rent, eat, and pay my bills this month, on this wage?". If the answer is no to that bottom line, then government assistance comes into play, totally countering the goal of getting them to want to do more for themselves.

    So in essence, if you are not making a living wage, you are more likely to take government handouts to try to get by.

    And with all of that, there are still people that simply won't figure out how to improve their life, and those people still deserve the opportunity to survive without needing welfare, etc.
     
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    This.

    The reality is giving these people more money isn't going to help them or the rest of us who are going to deal with the economics of a minimum wage salary increase. Every economics class I've heard of teaches the truth: raising the minimum wage damages the market and keeps minimum wage earners at the same level they're at. The market will adjust to that salary (increased prices) and employers will adjust to that salary (potential lost jobs). The prices of establishments that have to adjust to raised minimum wage will increase (say restaurants and servers) if they want to keep their staff on, and people who earn more than minimum wage are picking up the tab while people who make minimum wage stay where they are.

    Welfare in itself is a disservice to people. What will help people is learning how to grow out of that welfare. Increasing the minimum wage doesn't help that person get out of minimum wage, it just encourages them to stay there. If they don't want to or can't learn to improve, is it really the responsibility of society to look after the unambitious?
     
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    Being able to afford rent and food off of minimum wage is totally different in NYC compared to OKC.
     

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